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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Jimmy2Times on June 27, 2024, 09:49:22 pm

Title: Re: Ealing Council PCN 50JR - Performing a prohibited turn (No right turn)
Post by: cp8759 on July 23, 2024, 11:41:24 pm

@Jimmy2Times did you make a representation?

In the meantime I've got hold of The Ealing (Prescribed Routes) (No. 67) Traffic Order 2004 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QUw-bKF0tT9F5JKK4HFsGcVc-uqD0z7L/view).

Title: Re: Ealing Council PCN 50JR - Performing a prohibited turn (No right turn)
Post by: cp8759 on June 30, 2024, 04:55:04 pm

@Jimmy2Times so did you just chance it thinking there wasn't a camera, or did you actually miss the signs?

There's an advance warning sign here https://maps.app.goo.gl/bpAYdpcZoK6Tw9oD8 and the regulatory signs are here https://maps.app.goo.gl/cS8zmryVDn4SqkVNA

You might as well make a representation on day 14 (3rd July) saying the contravention did not occur, this will see the discount extended and will buy us some time. In the meantime I'll get hold of the traffic order for this restriction, if you're really lucky it might not exist (we've seen a few such cases recently).

Title: Re: Ealing Council PCN 50JR - Performing a prohibited turn (No right turn)
Post by: Incandescent on June 29, 2024, 07:46:15 pm

So, two clear NRT signs, and the video shows you stopped by them indicating to turn right, which you then do. It's difficult to see how you could have missed these and you haven't given us any reason for not obeying the sign.

All you can realistically do now, is wait a bit until others have looked and maybe seen a "technical" issue related to the PCN itself. Don't just cough-up now, it is important that all avenues are looked at, and anyway we always recommend submitting reps so their reply can be examined for fatal errors

Title: Re: Ealing Council PCN 50JR - Performing a prohibited turn (No right turn)
Post by: Jimmy2Times on June 29, 2024, 01:55:55 pm

Quote from: Incandescent on June 27, 2024, 11:05:36 pm

Here is the location, and the NRT signs, (two), look clear enough. Not only that, they taken the trouble to alter the road layout to make it more obvious that one should go left only.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Pio4f81h75Joydnq5

So did you just chance your arm, or was there another reason for missing the signs ?

Final advice really requires we see the video, so please download it from their website and post it here.

Find video link below, I even indicated, unusual for a BM driver, must have had my 3 shredded wheat that morning!  :o  :o

https://youtu.be/LydHlysPZ7Q

Title: Re: Ealing Council PCN 50JR - Performing a prohibited turn (No right turn)
Post by: Hippocrates on June 28, 2024, 08:10:45 am

We need the PCN and VRM details.

Title: Re: Ealing Council PCN 50JR - Performing a prohibited turn (No right turn)
Post by: Incandescent on June 27, 2024, 11:05:36 pm

Here is the location, and the NRT signs, (two), look clear enough. Not only that, they taken the trouble to alter the road layout to make it more obvious that one should go left only.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Pio4f81h75Joydnq5

So did you just chance your arm, or was there another reason for missing the signs ?

Final advice really requires we see the video, so please download it from their website and post it here.

Title: Ealing Council PCN 50JR - Performing a prohibited turn (No right turn)
Post by: Jimmy2Times on June 27, 2024, 09:49:22 pm

Just received this PCN from Ealing Council last week for no right turn, any points for representation?

Thanks guys.

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