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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Cavallino on June 08, 2024, 07:42:59 pm

Title: Re: Contravention 31j - Entering and stopping in a box junction
Post by: Cavallino on June 18, 2024, 10:30:23 pm
Hello all, thank you for your contribution. To be honest, after some thought I decided it wasnt worth the hassle and just paid it.
But thank you again for your help.
Title: Re: Contravention 31j - Entering and stopping in a box junction
Post by: gtech on June 13, 2024, 05:36:07 pm
@Cavallino something about rhe legality of this ybj?
Title: Re: Contravention 31j - Entering and stopping in a box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on June 13, 2024, 04:18:20 pm
De minimis does not equal 7 seconds.  Also, some adjudicators do not even entertain the idea. Those that do have now left.
Title: Re: Contravention 31j - Entering and stopping in a box junction
Post by: cp8759 on June 12, 2024, 11:25:34 pm
@Cavallino you need to read the guidance here (https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/) and post all the documents please. At the moment we don't even know if the PCN is valid or not.
Title: Re: Contravention 31j - Entering and stopping in a box junction
Post by: Cavallino on June 09, 2024, 02:11:55 am
Quote from: zzzatang on June 09, 2024, 01:32:17 am
According to the CCTV footage timestamps, your vehicle had stopped between 13:31:07.801 and 13:31:15.512, indicating a stationary time of approximately 7 seconds.

This may fall under the legal principle of de minimis, which refers to matters considered too insignificant for legal action. You might consider appealing on these grounds. Additionally, other forum members may be able to suggest further grounds for appeal.

For the best assistance, please review the pinned thread outlining the information that should be added to a new thread. This will allow forum members to provide the most relevant and helpful advice.
Thanks and will add further info in the morning.
Any further input is always welcome!
Title: Re: Contravention 31j - Entering and stopping in a box junction
Post by: zzzatang on June 09, 2024, 01:32:17 am
According to the CCTV footage timestamps, your vehicle had stopped between 13:31:07.801 and 13:31:15.512, indicating a stationary time of approximately 7 seconds.

This may fall under the legal principle of de minimis, which refers to matters considered too insignificant for legal action. You might consider appealing on these grounds. Additionally, other forum members may be able to suggest further grounds for appeal.

For the best assistance, please review the pinned thread outlining the information that should be added to a new thread. This will allow forum members to provide the most relevant and helpful advice.
Title: Re: Contravention 31j - Entering and stopping in a box junction
Post by: Cavallino on June 08, 2024, 08:06:36 pm
Ah sorry, good point, I should have done so.

Are you able to view this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yxOeeiddZc
Title: Re: Contravention 31j - Entering and stopping in a box junction
Post by: MrChips on June 08, 2024, 07:50:07 pm
Can you provide a link to the video please
Title: Contravention 31j - Entering and stopping in a box junction
Post by: Cavallino on June 08, 2024, 07:42:59 pm
Hello folks, this is the first time for me to post here. Our car was caught at a box junction.
I was wondering for your advice on the following picture, do I have grounds for appeal seeing as the car was just on the edge for less than 10 seconds or is it not worth it?
Its the blue car in the left lane that stops just at the end of the box junction.
Thanks for any help or advice you can give.

(https://i.imgur.com/iXuDv7qh.jpg)