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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: bigred247 on April 20, 2024, 03:10:35 pm

Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: Hippocrates on September 29, 2024, 02:06:38 pm
Seemples and comprehensive hammering.
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: cp8759 on September 29, 2024, 11:37:02 am
Outcome (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GyMEIC_KxbZ_pi6AXnw75T8OLxQX703V/view).
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: bigred247 on June 10, 2024, 10:21:06 am
Quote from: cp8759 on June 08, 2024, 10:38:25 pm
So I take it the council are expecting you to type out a 5 line URL comprised mostly of random characters (because you know, apparently sending a NoR by email is beyond the wit of Redbridge Council, even if it might not be beyond the wit of man as a whole).

Anyway, the rejection is nonsense and plainly you should appeal, as they've not dealt with the main issue you raised.

I have sent you a PM.

Missed your reply. Checking PM now. Thanks.
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: bigred247 on June 10, 2024, 10:17:27 am
Quote from: cp8759 on May 17, 2024, 03:47:13 pm
FOI response from the council:

(https://i.imgur.com/GnoFQ7R.png)

None of the certificates at https://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/tma-part-6-list-of-approved-devices/approved-device-certifications-redbridge.zip mention any of these cameras.

So this should be noted in my appeal with the adjudicator?
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: cp8759 on June 08, 2024, 10:38:25 pm
So I take it the council are expecting you to type out a 5 line URL comprised mostly of random characters (because you know, apparently sending a NoR by email is beyond the wit of Redbridge Council, even if it might not be beyond the wit of man as a whole).

Anyway, the rejection is nonsense and plainly you should appeal, as they've not dealt with the main issue you raised.

I have sent you a PM.
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: Hippocrates on June 08, 2024, 09:30:41 pm
NOR: in the immortal words of Eric Morecambe - Rubbish.
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: bigred247 on June 08, 2024, 05:56:41 pm
@cp8759
I just received a 'Notice of Rejection of Representation' which was expected. Please see the linked file.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F6Gx2vuO0_GIpjmPonQR0GkZUPzZCyt3/view?usp=sharing

Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: cp8759 on May 17, 2024, 03:47:13 pm
FOI response from the council:

(https://i.imgur.com/GnoFQ7R.png)

None of the certificates at https://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/tma-part-6-list-of-approved-devices/approved-device-certifications-redbridge.zip mention any of these cameras.
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: bigred247 on May 01, 2024, 05:22:03 pm
Thank you, @cp8759, for your invaluable expert advice on challenging the PCN. Much appreciated! I'll make representations and take a screenshot of confirmation.
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: cp8759 on April 29, 2024, 11:28:09 pm
Here's an initial draft:

Dear London Borough of Redbridge,

I challenge liability on the basis of a procedural impropriety. The location of the alleged contravention is given as "High Road", the PCN mentions bus stop A which I have not been able to locate but there are no less than 33 bus stops along this road.

I was not driving the car at the time and in the circumstances, the PCN fails to adequately particularise the location of the alleged wrongdoing.

In the circumstances the penalty charge must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,


Send it online and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page.

In the meantime I'll get the data about the make and model of the camera.
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: bigred247 on April 29, 2024, 09:49:05 am
@Incandescent
Thanks for your frankness. I'll wait a few more days for additional responses, and if there are none by then, I'll settle the fee within the discount period.
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: Incandescent on April 28, 2024, 10:56:56 pm
I have to say I do not see any "killer" appeal based on what you've shown, and told us so far. The bus stop seems to be correctly signed and marked out.
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: bigred247 on April 28, 2024, 03:42:36 pm
any advice?
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: bigred247 on April 27, 2024, 05:57:16 pm
hey all, per my last comment, are there any grounds for an appeal or must I bite the bullet? Thanks.
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: bigred247 on April 25, 2024, 06:49:08 pm
hey all,
I have posted some photos in google drive folder below. There is a small sign next to the bus stop but was not spotted at the time.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16ZI4Jbf8Y0OK5vB_QsrlUgY4oI4bP-GT?usp=drive_link
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: bigred247 on April 22, 2024, 02:17:04 pm
@roythebus
Thanks for the advice. I'll pay a visit today/tomorrow and post images here.
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: roythebus on April 20, 2024, 09:42:48 pm
Agreeing with Incandescent above, there' also a white BUS STOP sign next to the road. However, there must be a yellow sign facing the roadway that says no stopping except buses. Almost every bus stop in London is now a stop for buses only, 24/7/365 a year.
Go and have a look for the yellow sign, if it's missing there's a good chance of winning at tribunal, I speak from personal experience. In my case the sign was there but the council's evidence pack didn't have a photo of it. But I also had a very good reason to stop where I did.
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: bigred247 on April 20, 2024, 06:07:25 pm
It's my wife's car and I can only suspect it was late at night and she didn't see the signs or notices. She doesn't recall the incident so suspects it could be one of her siblings who was driving at the time.

I'll wait to hear from some of the other experts :o)
Title: Re: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: Incandescent on April 20, 2024, 03:33:00 pm
On the face of it the video shows what looks like a fairly clear contravention. Why did you stop there ? Are you aware there are things like "restricted bus stops" ?  As well as the broad yellow line, there must be a sign too, which normally says "No Stopping except local buses"; is there one ?

This may not be game over, so wait for those expert in these matters to contribute, but don't miss the payment/appeal deadline waiting.
Title: PCn - Redbridge - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
Post by: bigred247 on April 20, 2024, 03:10:35 pm
Hey folks,
I just received a PCN through the post for 'Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand'. Are there any grounds for appeal here?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iQO_HctzLjM47K_3BvKaro451wzlLRWT/view?usp=sharing

Thanks.