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Title: Re: Sheffield City Council - 34J - Being in a bus lane - Glossop Road
Post by: Chewdog on May 13, 2024, 02:49:05 pm
Thank you for this.

The council still gave the discount late in the evening of 29/04 so it was paid then.
Title: Re: Sheffield City Council - 34J - Being in a bus lane - Glossop Road
Post by: cp8759 on May 09, 2024, 05:43:08 pm
@Chewdog here are:

The Sheffield City Council (Bus Priority) (Consolidation) Order 1991 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Y-pdTyzS67QZFfYS5MOexdd_pqlFgRC/view)
The Sheffield City Council (Bus Priority) (Consolidation) Order 1991 (Amendment No. 45) Order 2008 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/115FhDCbfDQSoOwPK_qY0Jr8yllQMzjjH/view)
The Sheffield City Council (Bus Priority) (Consolidation) Order 1991 (Amendment No. 48) Order 2010 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m7whzNPSjJUDfTpm_bcJQz3WCyPig0b_/view)

I see the PCN has been paid but at least we have them for future reference.
Title: Re: Sheffield City Council - 34J - Being in a bus lane - Glossop Road
Post by: Chewdog on April 10, 2024, 11:25:58 pm
Don't think there were any issues with the signs and there are no roadworks/diversions at the moment. The other 2 sedans that passed through were probably taxis  :'(

Thanks for the screenshot info. I'll pass this on.
Title: Re: Sheffield City Council - 34J - Being in a bus lane - Glossop Road
Post by: Incandescent on April 10, 2024, 11:25:31 pm
Here is the signage. It is a time-limited restriction: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ADWuaUHpEavxYZnC9
This restriction has been here for many years, with the same time period: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/p1uG5chapmx8gugs7
There was a recent case on this forum for somebody who departed the Fitzwilliam Street car park and turned right instead of left, and then got caught out on the same restriction. One has to turn left into Glossop Road and then its only a few yards to the restriction.  Not sure how this case ended.

The restriction allows taxis and "authorised vehicles" to pass.
Title: Re: Sheffield City Council - 34J - Being in a bus lane - Glossop Road
Post by: cp8759 on April 10, 2024, 10:52:47 pm
Any issues with the signage?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGa_oc1ZSNg

Three vehicles going through in 20 seconds might indicate there's an issue with them, but you'd have to go back and check. I wonder if there were any roadworks / diversion signs in the area?

If the amount on the website goes up to £70 before midnight on 29 April then you'll have a valid ground to appeal, namely that the penalty demanded exceeds the amount due by law. However you would need a timed / dated screenshot, this is easily done by opening the council website and then the website https://time.is/ in another window and screenshotting the whole thing.

I'll get hold of the traffic order.
Title: Sheffield City Council - 34J - Being in a bus lane - Glossop Road
Post by: Chewdog on April 09, 2024, 09:41:06 am
Council: Sheffield City Council
PCN: 34J Being in a bus lane
Location: Glossop road, westbound between Regent Street and Cavendish Street

Hi I'm trying to help a family member out with a bus lane penalty charge notice in Sheffield. They got lost and ended up going through the bus lane without giving notice to the signs. I've looked at previous instances of this situation and wondered if it's possible to cancel the charge if the council doesn't manage to get the service date correct? This was discussed previously here - http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=131956 (http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=131956)


If I'm correct these should be the dates:


Date of issue and posting of penalty charge notice - Friday 05/04/24
Date of service (+2 working days) - Tues 09/04/24
Date of service plus 21 days period - Mon 29/04/24


If I check the council's payment website on Mon 29/04 and it doesn't offer the discount or if it is discounted and I appeal on this day and they don't re-offer the discount then do I have grounds to appeal to the tribunal?



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