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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Fightback on March 29, 2024, 06:53:46 pm
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@Fightback please give us the PCN number and the number plate, please see the guidance here (https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/).
Also please post the PCN in full, and it's easier if you embed the images into your post, the guide I've linked above tells you how to do this.
We also need a link to the location where the zone sign is, and if the sign itself is not on GSV then we need some wide angle photos take from further back showing the visibility of the sign from the main road.
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So essentially, you're arguing about adequacy of signage. However the council will argue it is totally adequate, so will refuse your representations. All the regulations say is that the council must erect sufficient and adequate signage to convey the restriction to motorists. "Sufficient", and "adequate" are subjective, so the only unbiased forum open to you is to take them to London Tribunals, (the adjudicators) and argue your case. The council will also argue theirs, and the ajudicator will make a binding decision. To do this, you must risk the full pCN penalty.
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I received a PCN today for entering a permit zone. I was totally unaware I had entered the permit zone. As there was no markings on the road and I was unaware I had entered a permit zone I parked my car there for 10 minutes.
Tracing the route that I took to get to Mansfield road, I note that there is a sign there however I argue that is not reasonable to have read the contents of the sign due to where it is placed. You are turning in from a busy junction (double decker busses and pedestrians). When driving past the sign it is also blocked by the blue sign in front.
Further to where my car was parked on Mansfield road there is a sign saying it is a permit area but please note when I got out my car I walked towards Beal road and there is no sign(I also wouldn’t have thought to look for any signs as I was unaware I was in a permit area)
Location - Mansfield Road Ilford - (51.5614026, 0.0677791)
The sign when that you have entered the permit zone - https://postimg.cc/gallery/ryqv6W0
The PCN - https://postimg.cc/gallery/GByTS3f
Mansfield road sign saying it’s a permit area -
https://postimg.cc/nM5n5WJ6