Free Traffic Legal Advice

Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: J05HR on March 20, 2024, 10:32:48 pm

Title: Re: Barnet council PCN - Contravention Code12
Post by: cp8759 on March 31, 2024, 01:13:27 pm
Key council photos:

(https://i.imgur.com/wX7sWUK.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/k1nD3fk.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/g2kU13x.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/d3KGE5j.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/SNLC0RN.png)

Location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/uVUnFwKQfrGy6zNc7

The map tile is here: https://store.traffweb.app/barnet/documents/parkmap/msched/AN20_rv14_1.pdf

As far as I can see the road markings are correct, however these cases suggest the suffix wording should be used:

Andrew David Rush v London Borough of Southwark (2120562288, 5 January 2013) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/151l9_7jvKzKDMuHsmejYcPyZA5H9rYV8/view)
Natalie van Dijk v London Borough of Islington (2150275729, 23 September 2015) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zxn3ku1apAAgmh4MYfP68wRzsOY8xRyt/view)

@J05HR when you first got the PCN, did you know what you were accussed of, or did you only work it out when you saw the photos on the council website?
Title: Re: Barnet council PCN - Contravention Code12
Post by: Hippocrates on March 21, 2024, 10:00:07 pm
Ask Mr Mustard re code 12 multiple choice decisions if he is in agreement.
Title: Re: Barnet council PCN - Contravention Code12
Post by: J05HR on March 21, 2024, 05:05:20 pm
Quote from: mrmustard on March 20, 2024, 10:48:07 pm
Your story puzzles me. Please tell us the pcn no. and vehicle reg so the council's evidence can be looked at

Sorry if it was confusing, Incandescent got it spot on, my car was exactly where the BMW i3 is parked on the Google Street View he linked.

I've attached the PCN and reg.

Any help appreciated,
Thanks

[attachment deleted by admin]
Title: Re: Barnet council PCN - Contravention Code12
Post by: Incandescent on March 20, 2024, 11:05:39 pm
Quote from: mrmustard on March 20, 2024, 10:48:07 pm
Your story puzzles me. Please tell us the pcn no. and vehicle reg so the council's evidence can be looked at
If you look at the first photo, you can see the bays divider, delineating where there are two separate bays either side of it, with different restrictions. Clearly the OP missed these. It's a common problem made worse by councils not following guidance and placing the signs for each bay side by side on a single pole at the divider lines.

Just look at this; a malicious and devious trap for the motorist.  The sign for the bay to the right nearby, but the one for the bay on the left is about 30 yards up the road !

https://maps.app.goo.gl/MnoeTmFdVkfsdfxD7
and
https://maps.app.goo.gl/uUdoqBM41hvYkph8A
Title: Re: Barnet council PCN - Contravention Code12
Post by: mrmustard on March 20, 2024, 10:48:07 pm
Your story puzzles me. Please tell us the pcn no. and vehicle reg so the council's evidence can be looked at
Title: Barnet council PCN - Contravention Code12
Post by: J05HR on March 20, 2024, 10:32:48 pm
Hi,

My first question is there a minimum time the traffic warden has to observe before giving you a ticket? On the ticket issues, he put observed from 11:21am - 11:21am

My second question is, I got a parking ticket for parking in a bay that has a restriction between 11am - 12pm. Where I parked was by a sign with a 9am - 5:30pm pay by phone. I didn't see the lines in the road and got out and went to the nearest sign and paid for a ticket.

So I paid for a ticket not knowing I was in a different parking restriction to the parking sign that was right by my car. In the photo is the sign that I went to by my blue car. Is there anything I can appeal apart from appealing to their good nature?

Thanks

[attachment deleted by admin]