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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: privates on March 05, 2024, 01:36:54 am

Title: Re: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: cp8759 on May 19, 2024, 01:13:38 pm
Two points here:

1) Location, they say it's Cavendish Road but it appears to be the South Circular Road.
2) They might not have TFL's consent to enforce at this location.

As the discount is gone, there's nothing to be lost in giving it a go.

@privates I'll drop you a PM.
Title: Re: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: Pastmybest on May 13, 2024, 10:47:17 pm
Tomorrow is the last day for discount, you best take it
Title: Re: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: privates on May 13, 2024, 10:41:23 pm
@privates you've missed the discount and the representations deadline and the council website says a charge certificate will be issued on 7 April, looks like you've fallen asleep at the wheel with this one?

Please go onto the council website right now and make a representation, just say "the contravention did not occur" and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page. It doesn't matter that they'll reject, the key here is to get a notice of rejection at £130 which you could then appeal, rather than a charge certificate at £195 which you can't appeal.

Here is the reply received to the above

https://ibb.co/5xpjfwr
https://ibb.co/Vj6Nmct
Title: Re: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: privates on May 09, 2024, 10:59:35 am
@privates you've missed the discount and the representations deadline and the council website says a charge certificate will be issued on 7 April, looks like you've fallen asleep at the wheel with this one?

Please go onto the council website right now and make a representation, just say "the contravention did not occur" and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page. It doesn't matter that they'll reject, the key here is to get a notice of rejection at £130 which you could then appeal, rather than a charge certificate at £195 which you can't appeal.

Here is the reply received to the above..

https://ibb.co/5xpjfwr
https://ibb.co/Vj6Nmct
Title: Re: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: cp8759 on March 31, 2024, 12:17:45 pm
@privates you've missed the discount and the representations deadline and the council website says a charge certificate will be issued on 7 April, looks like you've fallen asleep at the wheel with this one?

Please go onto the council website right now and make a representation, just say "the contravention did not occur" and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page. It doesn't matter that they'll reject, the key here is to get a notice of rejection at £130 which you could then appeal, rather than a charge certificate at £195 which you can't appeal.
Title: Re: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: Hippocrates on March 21, 2024, 11:30:07 am
You can't use it.
Title: Re: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: privates on March 21, 2024, 08:44:25 am
The TWOC ground is ok because they state e.g. or such as.

Which means, sorry?
Title: Re: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: Hippocrates on March 16, 2024, 02:59:40 pm
The TWOC ground is ok because they state e.g. or such as.
Title: Re: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: privates on March 16, 2024, 01:23:34 pm
To be honest, I can't see anything wrong with the PCN, and the sign is clear albeit on the off-side of the direction of travel, but seems clear enough, although being on the off-side, it could be obscured by high-sided vehicles, but the photos show no traffic like this.

Discount looks the best option IMHO.  You could have a punt at London Tribunals on the description of the statutory grounds of "driven without your consent" that implies it's restricted to the car being stolen, because there's no restriction like this in the regulations, but the full PCN penalty would be in play.

Appreciated. I'll pay the PCN unless the tribunals stands a fair chance  ::)
Title: Re: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: Incandescent on March 16, 2024, 12:57:38 pm
To be honest, I can't see anything wrong with the PCN, and the sign is clear albeit on the off-side of the direction of travel, but seems clear enough, although being on the off-side, it could be obscured by high-sided vehicles, but the photos show no traffic like this.

Discount looks the best option IMHO.  You could have a punt at London Tribunals on the description of the statutory grounds of "driven without your consent" that implies it's restricted to the car being stolen, because there's no restriction like this in the regulations, but the full PCN penalty would be in play.
Title: Re: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: privates on March 16, 2024, 10:52:14 am
Need to see the back of the PCN before we can say the PCN is OK or not.

I'm surprised you didn't get any response, but just putting up a load of photos without any narrative is never a good idea. The sign is clear enough, in my view, so did you just chance your arm and hope there wasn't a camera ?

To be fair I wish I knew myself..

Here is the back of the PCN alongside the representation page that came with it

https://ibb.co/9HQ9GhW
https://ibb.co/W0kbNNt
https://ibb.co/RjVS3b5
Title: Re: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: Incandescent on March 16, 2024, 09:41:24 am
Need to see the back of the PCN before we can say the PCN is OK or not.

I'm surprised you didn't get any response, but just putting up a load of photos without any narrative is never a good idea. The sign is clear enough, in my view, so did you just chance your arm and hope there wasn't a camera ?
Title: Re: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: privates on March 16, 2024, 09:26:07 am
Hi guys,


This is the GSV - https://maps.app.goo.gl/iXJsPHWPFtvox6tV8

Is there any errors in the PCN before I pay this PCN?

Thanks
Title: 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - Lambeth
Post by: privates on March 05, 2024, 01:36:54 am
Hi,

Any grounds of appeal for the following appeal?  :'(  :-[


https://ibb.co/KbLd1gS
https://ibb.co/XyLPdw6
https://ibb.co/njKFKhD
https://ibb.co/929Dg5j
https://ibb.co/CKTSppQ
https://ibb.co/cDcGYkr

Thank You..