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General discussion => The Flame Pit => Topic started by: Southpaw82 on July 03, 2023, 10:21:18 pm

Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: DWMB2 on June 17, 2026, 12:53:56 pm: Fun one here:

Hodder v Peacekeepers Foundation [2026] EWCC 37 (10 April 2026) (https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/Misc/2026/CC37.html)

A visitor to a FoTL style website took them up on their 'No Obligation Challenge' to disprove their beliefs (with a prize apparently on offer), then sued when they failed to pay up.

"The Defendant's views are, of course, complete legal nonsense; this judgement will not be a recitation of the reasons why."
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: Neil B on May 05, 2026, 09:17:28 pm: Just seen this typical one where he just doesn't stop with the nonsense >

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1012593974764003
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: NewJudge on April 28, 2026, 08:26:57 pm: Yes I did note the odd typo or two.

But I had to admire him for the way he addressed “points of law” raised by someone who was clearly crackers, as if they were raised by an eminent KC.
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: Southpaw82 on April 27, 2026, 03:46:50 pm: Quote from: NewJudge on April 27, 2026, 02:55:42 pm
I have nothing but admiration for the patience and diligence shown by the judge!
He needs a better proofreader though.
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: NewJudge on April 27, 2026, 02:55:42 pm: I have nothing but admiration for the patience and diligence shown by the judge!
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: DWMB2 on April 24, 2026, 04:51:19 pm: Not motoring, but definitely FoTL:

London Borough of Southwark - and - Trevor Hadjimina (https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/KB/2026/954.html)

The Freeman in question has found himself not so free for the next few months, getting a 6 month sentence.
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: andy_foster on February 01, 2026, 06:08:32 pm: If you are referring to what the French call "capote Anglaise", that is something that might have prevented the argument.
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: mickR on February 01, 2026, 04:36:11 pm: is that related to the French version?
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: andy_foster on February 01, 2026, 04:08:50 pm: But shirley if it's in Blacks Legal Dictionary, it must be "black letter law"?
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: tonys on February 01, 2026, 08:33:52 am: Quote from: andy_foster on January 23, 2026, 02:24:48 pm

Haven't read the Magna Carta recently, but I'm going to take a leap and say that it does not contain a definition of "driver" for the purposes of s. 172 RTA 1988, s. 89 RTRA 1984, or at all.

Many of the whackos like to rely on Black's legal dictionary. By selecting the correct out of date version they can find "driver" defined as someone "employed" in driving. Apart from the fact that a dictionary has no authority, and it's a US dictionary anyway, the laughable thing is they don't notice the definition of "employed" in the same book.
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: andy_foster on January 23, 2026, 02:24:48 pm: I struggled to get past the legal genius who understands the law far better than all the lawyers and judges in the country consistently using "there" instead of "their".

Haven't read the Magna Carta recently, but I'm going to take a leap and say that it does not contain a definition of "driver" for the purposes of s. 172 RTA 1988, s. 89 RTRA 1984, or at all.
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: Southpaw82 on January 23, 2026, 11:55:20 am: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1KKxvxoZBz/?mibextid=wwXIfr (https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1KKxvxoZBz/?mibextid=wwXIfr)

My favourite comment was “FMOTL about to get FUTA”.
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: Charitynjw on April 20, 2025, 04:15:26 am: Meads v. Meads, the Vexatious Litigants Case

https://www.slaw.ca/2012/10/01/meads-v-meads-the-vexatious-litigants-case/
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: cp8759 on June 12, 2024, 11:06:12 pm: I've wanted to see one of these over here for ages, @andy_foster I know these anny me possible almost as much as they annoy you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AEHMzYym5E

It's a shame we don't get to find out if the uninsured vehicle got crushed.
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: cp8759 on June 11, 2024, 05:37:50 pm: Quote from: DWMB2 on April 18, 2024, 05:04:32 pm
there are a small minority of cranks who oppose ULEZ because they think it's part of some global conspiracy to implant microchips in our brains and stop us finding out the earth is flat, or some other such nonsense.
The global conspiracy one is an interesting point, especially when they suggest that anyone who argues the Earth is round has been bought.

I once saw a scientist complain that they'd spent years debunking the flat Earth society but they'd never received any of their payments from the global conspiracy, and asking where they could complain about the outstanding payments ;D
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: roythebus on June 06, 2024, 08:22:08 pm: There was another of those numpties on there again today. someone got a s172 over a speeding ticket. FotL says ignore it, it's motoring not a crime. I pointed out the bleedin' obvious that the Road Traffic Act is indeed criminal law and to ignore is likely to cost the errant RK £1000 and 6 points and victim support. Then the usual crap about there's no victim (which I think most of us agree with, it's a tax on crime) etc. and was laughed out. Let them find out the expensive way.

But a couple of others from that group have taken advice and my have taken advantage of the advice given freely on here.
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: DWMB2 on April 18, 2024, 05:04:32 pm: That's where the value of sites and forums like this one is demonstrated.

There are plenty of rational and sensible folks who might oppose ULEZ for all sorts of reasonable reasons and join those Facebook groups. Conversely, there are a small minority of cranks who oppose ULEZ because they think it's part of some global conspiracy to implant microchips in our brains and stop us finding out the earth is flat, or some other such nonsense.

Unfortunately, when someone seeking genuine advice stumbles across those groups, they often end up being advised by those least qualified to provide it.
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: roythebus on April 18, 2024, 03:20:57 am: The anti-ulez group on Bookface provides a breeding ground for the FOTL lot. Lads of people being given stupid advice having received copious quantities of ulez penalty charges, one contributor reckons he's got over 300 of them!!
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: guest968 on March 16, 2024, 07:16:22 pm: I once heard a funny story, years ago, before all this sovcit malarkey (pre-internet too, so it might even be true) of an anarchist on trial for something, and at the end the judge asked him if he had anything to say before he passed sentence, and the guy said "I do not recognise this court".

Judge said "Well this court recognises you and sentences you to to 5 years imprisonment."
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: The Rookie on March 16, 2024, 09:14:13 am: Watched one recently where the Judge had clearly had enough, after the defendant introduced himself as the representative of himself the Judge pointed out it was a mandatory appearance and if the defendant wasn’t there he would be issuing an arrest warrant immediately, the SovCit soon changed his mind.
But then kept arguing jurisdiction and refused to state if he was ready for the pre trial examination (as the Judge said, I just need a Yes or No, NOTHING else) so was sent down for 30 days for contempt anyway.
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: guest968 on March 13, 2024, 08:29:56 pm: YouTube has loads of videos of these sovcit/fotl clowns.

One was a court in the USA, some sort of hearing about whether someone in custody was getting out, and he was one of the clowns.

In the end the judge sent him back to jail, saying "and if you see Mr Smith the person, tell him he's not getting out either"
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: Hippocrates on December 25, 2023, 06:02:48 pm: I would ask for The Lark Ascending to be piped into the cell as there is wonderful statue of the composer outside the Dorking Halls. :)
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: cp8759 on December 24, 2023, 03:23:56 pm: https://twitter.com/SurreyRS/status/1738644981005381947?t=CsEZbcjenWsNS30t6DUDNg&s=19

Remanded to court on the afternoon of Christmas eve, I'm not sure they serve Christmas dinner in police custody?
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: Grant Urismo on October 21, 2023, 03:11:27 pm: Here's an entertaining Twitter* thread by well known tweeting barrister @crimegirl that gathers examples of "oft cited cases that debunk Freeman on The Land nonsense" from various jurisdictions (UK, Canada, NI etc.)

https://twitter.com/CrimeGirI/status/1715714891468681579

* Not only do I refuse to call it X, I am going one further and will henceforth refer to Elon's rocket company as 'Space Twitter'.
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: 666 on August 12, 2023, 10:24:54 am: It's not really surprising. Nonsuch was a large and impressive palace built by Henry VIII near Cheam, and so Nonsuch was seen as an aspirational name by the builders of mock-Tudor suburban estates. SW London* is full of streets with such connections: Tudor, Anne Boleyn, Aragon, Cranmer, Wolsey, etc

* = Or for FOTL fans, Surrey
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: mickR on August 12, 2023, 12:01:40 am: there are, surprisingly, a few nonsuch close's around. however the post code is wrong in the judgement
Title: Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: andy_foster on July 04, 2023, 12:22:07 am: "Beresford" was the middle name of Rt. Hon. Alan B'Stard MP. I hope this does not indicate a connection to any prospective Tory politicians closer to home...

The only surprising thing I gleaned from the judgment is the "Nonsuch Close" exists.
Title: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
Post by: Southpaw82 on July 03, 2023, 10:21:18 pm: Because I find it funny…

Lewis v West Bromwich Building Society (https://caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ewhc/kb/2023/1361)

Abuse of process of the High Court to frustrate possession orders in the County Court. Struck out with costs. Who is the mysterious ’Beresford’?