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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: privates on February 26, 2024, 10:43:27 pm
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@privates with the best will in the world, knowing all the problems you have with the post, WTF is going on with this one?
(https://i.imgur.com/QScN0Sa.png)
Have you challenged the notice to owner?
If not, make a representation right this second. As I've told you previously a PCN with your name on it is your responsibility and I fear that if you take a relaxed approach you could end up with another trip to the car pound.
I thought I had appealed this but it seems so I haven't. I will do now.. I am definitely not going through that again
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@privates with the best will in the world, knowing all the problems you have with the post, WTF is going on with this one?
(https://i.imgur.com/QScN0Sa.png)
Have you challenged the notice to owner?
If not, make a representation right this second. As I've told you previously a PCN with your name on it is your responsibility and I fear that if you take a relaxed approach you could end up with another trip to the car pound.
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Hang on a minute, looks like another ticket scam. You can park in residents bays to unload/load.
This pasted from Westminster Council website :
Private vehicles
single and double yellow lines 8.30am to 11am: as long as necessary
single and double yellow lines 11am to 6.30pm: 20 minutes
single yellow lines 6.30pm to 8.30am: unlimited
double yellow lines 6.30pm to 08.30am: as long as necessary
Pay to Park and resident bays during controlled hours: 20 minutes
Pay to Park and resident bays outside of controlled hours (always check signs for controlled hours): unlimited
Private vehicle owners can only stop to load and unload where the items are too bulky or heavy to be carried from the nearest available parking space
Original Link is here:
https://www.westminster.gov.uk/parking/trade-parking-businesses/loading-and-unloading
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https://ibb.co/8jdvQDj
They don't even show challenge tabs anymore on City of Wesministers lol.. There reasons for appeal are all wrong too.
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Looks OK.
This is of course, just an informal challenge, so they'll probably send you the usual Fob-Off letter. Post their reply when you get it.
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Apart from a PCN content error, the other avenue is to check the TRO for Lancaster Gate to see if loading is an exemption in the resident permit bays. However, why not submit representations that you were unloading luggage to the hotel prior to moving the car to <car park you used> . Point out the nature of the luggage was far too heavy and bulky to carry from the car park which was nearly a mile away. Post your draft here for review, thne submit it, and also their response when you get it
To whom it may concern,
I appeal this PCN on the basis I was loading heavy luggage into Signature Townhouse London, Hyde Park Hotel, 36-37 Lancaster Gate, London, W2 3NA. If the officer had observed the bay for any time they would have witnessed this. The luggage was far to heavy to carry from where I had parked my vehicle which was near to a mile away. It would have been impossible for me to carry the luggage from where I had parked the car to the hotel, for this reason I had load my heavy luggage from outside the hotel.
I will attach to this appeal a witness statement from my partner and evidence of booking for the hotel.
I ask that this PCN is cancelled under the heavy loading exemption.
Thank you.
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Apart from a PCN content error, the other avenue is to check the TRO for Lancaster Gate to see if loading is an exemption in the resident permit bays. However, why not submit representations that you were unloading luggage to the hotel prior to moving the car to <car park you used> . Point out the nature of the luggage was far too heavy and bulky to carry from the car park which was nearly a mile away. Post your draft here for review, thne submit it, and also their response when you get it
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The other thing that came to my mind after my last reply was that as a resident parking bay, the hotel should have a facility to issue visitor permits to hotel guests so they can park in the resident bay. These can be either cardboard scratch cards or virtual visitor permits. A permit is normally for one day, so one needed per days of hotel stay. Of course, these would be chargeable.
This was not the case unfortunately as when asked they had asked me to park the vehicle in a Q-Car park which is 0.8 miles away. This also has nothing to do with the hotel but is the closest car park.
I had parked right infront of where the google maps view shows on the link. In the PCN pictures there is a vehicle behind mine, that is where the entrance to the hotel is.
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Multiple choice issue re PCN description.
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=90145
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The other thing that came to my mind after my last reply was that as a resident parking bay, the hotel should have a facility to issue visitor permits to hotel guests so they can park in the resident bay. These can be either cardboard scratch cards or virtual visitor permits. A permit is normally for one day, so one needed per days of hotel stay. Of course, these would be chargeable.
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I don't know what has happened but I seem to have posted the wrong GSV link; sorry !!
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https://maps.app.goo.gl/aHqLG9Mj12WCEeoR9
The hotel comes up on GSV, and if you look, there is a yellow line at the corner, between the two parking bays. You could have stopped there to unload your luggage, although you'd have probably got a PCN, but there is the loading exemption for yellow lines. The TRO that has established the parking bays may also have an exemption for loading and also for boarding/alighting passengers, so you are correct in emphasising the unloading activity.
So where did you eventually park having got the PCN ?
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Is this all you are going to tell us, because at the moment, you look bang-to-rights, so some narrative, please.
So you were in this bay: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/cmCsr4xdXYxB8rkX9
outside No 39 possibly. The sign states it is for resident permit holders only Mon-Sun 8.30 am to 8.30 pm, 'B'permits. Your PCN is timed at 10.03, well within the restriction period.
As you presumably have no resident permit, any reason you parked there ? Did you read what the sign said ?
I was staying at the hotel outside of this bay. I had checked in at a later time (2PM) but was loading luggage to the hotel at this time as it was a emergency booking. I was going to originally appeal on the loading exemption of two luggage's but wanted to see if there is any other grounds I could appeal on
Representation draft :
To whom it may concern,
I appeal this PCN on the basis I was loading luggage into Signature Townhouse London, Hyde Park Hotel, 36-37 Lancaster Gate, London, W2 3NA. If the officer had observed the bay for any time they would have witnessed this.
I will attach to this appeal a witness statement from my partner and evidence of booking for the hotel.
I ask that this PCN is cancelled under the heavy loading exemption.
Thank you.
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Is this all you are going to tell us, because at the moment, you look bang-to-rights, so some narrative, please.
So you were in this bay: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/cmCsr4xdXYxB8rkX9
outside No 39 possibly. The sign states it is for resident permit holders only Mon-Sun 8.30 am to 8.30 pm, 'B'permits. Your PCN is timed at 10.03, well within the restriction period.
As you presumably have no resident permit, any reason you parked there ? Did you read what the sign said ?
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Hi,
hope all is well. Are there any grounds of appeal for the following PCN?
https://ibb.co/pWzGTT3
https://ibb.co/KsBBstX
https://ibb.co/W013LDs
https://ibb.co/B4bpwBn
https://ibb.co/5GjnHjr
https://ibb.co/WztSGFN
https://ibb.co/XYCHDLD
https://ibb.co/RyfxzZR