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Title: Re: PCN - Edinburgh - Code 23 - Parked in Car Club Bay - Dublin Street
Post by: tincombe on July 06, 2026, 09:31:29 pm
What signs mean is given here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/part/1/regulation/1?view=extent

Your misunderstanding is not a statutory defence.
Title: Re: PCN - Edinburgh - Code 23 - Parked in Car Club Bay - Dublin Street
Post by: Incandescent on July 06, 2026, 05:43:12 pm
Do, please, note that a sign with no days or times means it applies 24x7
Except when it doesn't e.g. the resident permit holder bays in the same CPZ follow the same hours but there are no days/times on their signs. (I mean, that might be a defect in how Edinburgh interprets the legislation, but they certainly don't enforce those bays 24/7)
The legal position is that each separate bay must have its own sign.
Title: Re: PCN - Edinburgh - Code 23 - Parked in Car Club Bay - Dublin Street
Post by: davidmcn on July 06, 2026, 12:53:11 pm
Do, please, note that a sign with no days or times means it applies 24x7
Except when it doesn't e.g. the resident permit holder bays in the same CPZ follow the same hours but there are no days/times on their signs. (I mean, that might be a defect in how Edinburgh interprets the legislation, but they certainly don't enforce those bays 24/7)
Title: Re: PCN - Edinburgh - Code 23 - Parked in Car Club Bay - Dublin Street
Post by: Incandescent on July 05, 2026, 10:13:54 pm
Do, please, note that a sign with no days or times means it applies 24x7
Title: Re: PCN - Edinburgh - Code 23 - Parked in Car Club Bay - Dublin Street
Post by: pqblo on July 05, 2026, 09:19:22 pm
Sorry, but I see a correctly marked bay with carriageway text "Car club only" and a sign also saying the same. Each end of the bay shows the double-dashed bay delimiters as well.

I was not aware that the restrictions applied 24h and were not ruled by the times for the street itself like for example the permit bays.

However, (isn't there always a "however" !), the two signs are very badly placed with the car club bay sign on its own and the sign for the pay-to-park bay on its own at the division between the bays. As such this is misleading.The two signs should have been mounted on the same pole side by side, with arrows to indicate applicability, and you should submit reps on this basis.

Thank you! I will submit an appeal on this basis and see what the answer is, I will follow up here with the council's reply and take your advise on wether to take it to adjudicator or not later.
Title: Re: PCN - Edinburgh - Code 23 - Parked in Car Club Bay - Dublin Street
Post by: Incandescent on July 05, 2026, 08:49:15 pm
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There are no additional signs on the bay or the post saying that it is not ruled by the same norm as the street so I assumed I was safe to park there on a Saturday.
Sorry, but I see a correctly marked bay with carriageway text "Car club only" and a sign also saying the same. Each end of the bay shows the double-dashed bay delimiters as well.

However, (isn't there always a "however" !), the two signs are very badly placed with the car club bay sign on its own and the sign for the pay-to-park bay on its own at the division between the bays. As such this is misleading.The two signs should have been mounted on the same pole side by side, with arrows to indicate applicability, and you should submit reps on this basis. Such is the venal greed for cash by councils, they will reject your reps and you'll only get an opinion unaffected by the cash, at the Scottish adjudicators.This means you'd have to risk the full PCN penalty


Title: PCN - Edinburgh - Code 23 - Parked in Car Club Bay - Dublin Street
Post by: pqblo on July 05, 2026, 03:47:17 pm
Hi guys, yesterday (Saturday) I got a ticket for parking in a Car Club bay on Dublin Street (Edinburgh) https://maps.app.goo.gl/EgCaDte8h7BufQME9

The whole street is a "Peripheral Controlled ZONE" which is Mon - Fri 8:30am to 5:30pm

There are no additional signs on the bay or the post saying that it is not ruled by the same norm as the street so I assumed I was safe to park there on a Saturday.




Ironically enough I think if I parked anywhere else I would have been fine but the office for the parking guys is right there, I saw the guy go in when I was going to get the car  :-[

Anything I can do here? Thank you!

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PS: Excuse the horrible parking job, I noticed the fine after had already I left and I went back and re-parked to take pictures for future reference.