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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: bricemanuk on July 01, 2026, 04:27:40 pm

Title: Re: Yellow Box PCN
Post by: MrChips on July 01, 2026, 07:30:45 pm

I think it's arguable that no offence committed.

It's only an offence to have to stop due to stationary vehicles. Looks like you are slightly manoeuvring towards the second lane and the vehicle in front of you in that lane doesn't stop moving until 19 seconds into the video.

You start moving at 22 seconds but there's a significant gap between you so you could have started moving again just as the other car comes to a stop and made it through without having to stop again.

Title: Re: Yellow Box PCN
Post by: bricemanuk on July 01, 2026, 07:16:29 pm

The black car in the centre.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VQEBg46U5xxboksz9

Title: Re: Yellow Box PCN
Post by: MrChips on July 01, 2026, 07:03:05 pm

Which is your vehicle? There's a few which get stuck on the box.

Title: Re: Yellow Box PCN
Post by: bricemanuk on July 01, 2026, 06:58:13 pm

Thanks for the prompt reply. Please see the video below.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/srLrN1wFGdVUPqzHA

Title: Re: Yellow Box PCN
Post by: MrChips on July 01, 2026, 04:35:11 pm

Does the council make the video evidence available online? I've not dealt with Trafford council before but I'd expect it to be available assuming they have an online PCN portal you can log into.

We need to see it to check the circumstances - quite often it opens up new angles for your appeal.

Title: Yellow Box PCN
Post by: bricemanuk on July 01, 2026, 04:27:40 pm

Hi all,

I'd appreciate some advice.

I received a yellow box PCN from Trafford Council. My formal representations were rejected.

My main argument is that this yellow box seems much larger than necessary. The position where my car stopped doesn't appear to block the junction or any crossing traffic.

I challenged the extent of the yellow box, and the Council replied saying that the area where my car stopped forms part of the "swept path" for vehicles exiting the junction. However, they haven't provided any engineering evidence to support that and instead told me to submit an FOI request.

I've attached:

Google Maps showing the junction.
The Council's CCTV image showing where my car stopped.
The Council's latest reply mentioning the "swept path".
Do you think I have reasonable grounds to take this to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal? Has anyone dealt with a similar argument about the size or extent of a yellow box?

Thanks in advance.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JzHj5psAHWUwXPsz7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vJzW67k77x21DrUa8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/VQEBg46U5xxboksz9