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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Maz on July 01, 2026, 03:27:00 pm
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Ok thank you
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So wait for enterprise to serve me notice then the council in turn.Them appeal again, get told no again then pay. With emergency parking how can you appeal the decision?
Enterprise won't 'serve' you with a notice, IMO the options are that:
1. they might copy you in to correspondence addressed to the council notifying them that you are authorised to act for Enterprise, or
2. They make representations under the 'hire company' grounds(which would give you statutory procedural grounds of representation), or
3. They simply pay the penalty and recover this from you contractually plus any admin. fees permitted.
IMO, your argument about not being able to park elsewhere goes to mitigation only, it is not a statutory defence and would not be considered by an adjudicator, should matters get that far.
IMO, the only positive action open to you at this stage is extra-procedural i.e. notify Enterprise (what you tell them about the events, I leave to you) and find out what their likely response would be.
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So wait for enterprise to serve me notice then the council in turn.Them appeal again, get told no again then pay. With emergency parking how can you appeal the decision?
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OP, IMO you've spent more time canvassing opinion regarding prospective parking options than dealing with the PCN.
Of course the authority said no. You did not have a statutory defence, simply a range of mitigating arguments. You are only a party to this matter until a Notice to Owner is served on the registered keeper because liability rests with them. This could be Enterprise or perhaps even a leasing company.
So we're likely at this stage of the process: 'Enterprise are poor at dealing with NTOs which would heap confusion on the whole process. You could play the game, but not without some risk.'
Are you the hirer of the vehicle? If yes, then you are liable to Enterprise contractually and prospectively financially.
Unless the PCN is paid then the registered keeper would be served with a NTO. If you're the hirer, then you know your contractual liabilities and Enterprise's options.
Can we get back to this PCN and Enterprise pl.
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Thank you
https://imgpile.com/p/PmKYlGV
And this is what I sent them
I went to see my mum who has mobility issues and a blue badge issued by Hounslow Council (HC) and my brother who is autistm and had to park like this as I was due to take her out for the weekend (I have evidence of bookings) but she she was feeling unwell. She has has multiple health issues, gp and hospital visits quite frequently. My mum lives at the adresss in question, so I parked like this in an emergency. There was space on the pavement for someone in a wheelchair or pushchair to safely pass. The pavement is wide and much bigger than it looks in the picture.
My brothers and sisters cars are there and they cannot move anymore to give me space and they were not home anyway so they were unable to to move their cars. What you cant see is a huge telephone post in front of the drive so this is the only way for me to park and reverse safely.
I needed to take my mum to the hospital and it takes her a while to safely get in and out of the car. I had my brother with me too and he has no independent road safety skills as he has autism. The road I reverse into is very busy so need time to get them both in safely and this is the only way.
The main road is narrow and buses and cars pass on either side, and there are cars parked at the side of the road and they need to stop to pass. I once parked sideways on the pavement on the dropped kerb but it blocked traffic. In the picture taken there is a car parked across the road so I would have blocked traffic and this was my only option in an emergency There are cars parked down there Benedict Drive and along hatton road, you have to stop before that road or you can't manouvere out safely as usually and on that side of the road there are cars parked immediately after or you can't get out. Cars can get by if I parked on the dropped kerb but not double deck buses which frequent this road.
There is no pay and display and the other place to park across the road had no space as that is my only other option.
I saw someone as I came out but was too late as I didn't realise I was getting a ticket he had a hi vis jacket. The time I took the picture was about 5 minutes or so after leaving the house. He must have seen me and my mum coming out of the house but she walls slowly with a stick and physical support from me, she cannot go out alone independently.I took the picture about 5 minutes after my mum was in the car it was really hot so couldn't leave her and chase the guy.
Can I ask for discretion to cancel this PCN as I tried to park safely in the drive in the designated parking place and it was a medical emergency.
Kind regards
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Please post up a copy of their rejection of your challenge,
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Hey all
Got an overwhelming no to my appeal. Do I now wait for them to write with a new fine via NTO notice and hopes it times out or just pay. I think when appealing I may have said I was tbe owner but it is clearly a rental. Would that make any difference?
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Thanks yes she has a blue badge but family feud means I can't access it. I can't reverse in because of the postiton of the pole and the two stationary cars. I woule struggle reversing from a main busy road (personally) and would be harder for me to fit in. Thanks anyway
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A couple of points, does your mother have a Blue Badge? If not maybe suggest she should apply for one, that could help with parking problems when you go to pick her up. The Blue Badge is specific to a person, not a car.
Secondly, it is illegal to park on the pavement anywhere in London except where specifically authorised. Would it be possible for you to reverse into the driveway, it makes getting back onto the road safer and your mother may find it easier to get in the car if it's round the other way. Good luck with your appeal.
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Ive tried that before and blocked traffic. There are cars parked down there B Drive and you have to stop before that road or you can't manouvere put safely as usually and on that side of the road there are cars parked immediately after or you can't get out.It doesn't work i've tried. Cars can get by not double deck buses So confused wouldn't I be parked on the footpath of I parked on the side of the DK? And obstructing traffic?
So it looks like my only defence is her disability, my own arguments for parking, space and there beong an emergency. I looked through similar cases but nothing specific to me. Will look for some legislation and hope they drop me off
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Here?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/mZe74NZRKZt67R2M6
You can park on the road against (but not on) a DK with the consent of the house's occupier.
It would appear from GSV that then, because of the additional width created by the opening to Benedict Drive, there would be room for traffic to pass your vehicle during the assisted boarding.
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'I am not sure how to collect mt mum otherwise'.
Park on the road by the dropped kerb if this serves her house alone.
All of what you've said goes to mitigation and I am 99.99999% certain the council would not exercise discretion.
Enterprise are poor at dealing with NTOs which would heap confusion on the whole process. You could play the game, but not without some risk.
Ah if HC serve the NTO out of time maybe it will help.
Unfortunatley I cant parke on the dropped kerb, think I mentioned why in my orginal post. Did that before blocked traffic coming in two directions, and my mum takes too long to get in so wasn't realistic. It is a narrow road traffic passes two ways including buses. Would I have not got a ticket anyway for parking on the dropped kerb vs partial parking in the drive?
Thank you all for your help
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Oh no. Thank you. Yes that is my pic just to show I couldnt have moved in further.
FWIW it seems you could have gone about a metre further.
Thanks John, it may look that way but my mum wouldn't have been able to get in the front. I need to be able yo assist her when i'm driving. I would have scraped by on the bush and got stuck because of the two other cars and the pole. My mum wouldn't have been able to get to the car atall. I can only exit via the gap. The space is misleading
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Hatton Road is very long: please post a GSV link to the locatioon.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/AVa1kDfDTtb2RVey8?g_st=ac
The pole is to the right so I can't park at an angle.
Could I be cheeky and say it was an emeegency to help my case ;D
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'I am not sure how to collect mt mum otherwise'.
Park on the road by the dropped kerb if this serves her house alone.
All of what you've said goes to mitigation and I am 99.99999% certain the council would not exercise discretion.
Enterprise are poor at dealing with NTOs which would heap confusion on the whole process. You could play the game, but not without some risk.
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Oh no. Thank you. Yes that is my pic just to show I couldnt have moved in further.
FWIW it seems you could have gone about a metre further.
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Hatton Road is very long: please post a GSV link to the locatioon.
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Oh no. Thank you. Yes that is my pic just to show I couldnt have moved in further. Sorry is NTO notice to owner? I am not sure how to collect mt mum otherwise. Such a pain
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Is this your pic.
Two things.
1. There is no exemption for what you describe unless it qualified as an emergency.
2. The car is presumably rented which means it will be out of your hands at NTO stage.
But you can make an informal challenge and hope for discretion, is by take.
(https://i.ibb.co/dJfJFRHy/ygf-IEA1-xl.jpg)
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Hi all me again. You may think I am an utter idiot for this but hear me out. Really didn't mean to be a pavement hogger it is not nice.
I went to see my mum who has mobility issues and a blue badge issued by Hounslow Council (HC). There is not alot of space on the pavement agreed but enough for someone in a wheelchair or pushchair to safely pass. The pavement is wide and much bigger than it looks in rhe picture.
My brothers and sisters cars are there and cannot move anymore to give me space and they were not home anyway. What you cant see is a huge telephone post in front of our drive so this is the only way for me to park and reverse safely.
I needed to take my mum out and it takes her a while to safely get in and out of the car. I had my brother with me too and he has no independent road safety skills as he has autism. The road I reverse into is very busy so need time to get them both in safely and this is the only way. The main road is narrow and buses and cars pass on either side, and there are cars parked at the side of the road and they need to stop to pass. I once parked sideways on the pavement big mistake as it blocked traffic.
There is no pay and display and the other place to park across the road had no space as that is my only other option.
I saw someone as I came out but was too late as I didn't realise I was getting a ticket he had a hi vis jacket. He must have seen me and my mum coming out of the house but she walls slowly with a stick and physical support from me, she cannot go out alone independently.I took the picture about 5/6 minutes after my mum was in the car it was really hot so couldn't leave her and chase the guy
Do I have to take this on the chin or is it worth appealing?