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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: pkchips on June 12, 2026, 10:12:13 pm
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We have seen this location several times now, and appeals have been won at London Tribunals. This is a PCN from venal and rapacious Havering council, who do not re-offer the discount when rejecting representations. This means that if you submit representations to them, it is on the basis that they will reject them, as they always do, and you then register an appeal at London Tribunals. It is this or just cough-up and join the MUugged CLub.
Here are the signs you passed which are not at the junction of South St and Eastern Road: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/uNhg1aSkkWKL5U2w5
There are two things you could argue cancellation of the PCN on: -
1. The PCN, and video does not show you passing any traffic sign barring motorvehicles.
2. You required access to the railway station and car park on Havana Close, so dropped off your passengers there, then parked in the multi-story car park
See this this case at London Tribunals: -
HG61116639
This covers inadequacy of signage and also access to premises.
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Presumably you were meant to follow the directions for "setting down point" on the signpost.
I'll agree that "except for access" signs always seem vague to me if you don't know the extent of the area which you're allowed to access.
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OK thanks. What does it mean that motor vehicles are prohibited "except for access"? I drove here to drop my wife and child off at the train station - is that allowed?
I was unsure whether I was allowed to stop on the road immediately in front of the station, so I drove ahead and stopped the car where I marked the "X" on the map below. Then I let my wife and son off and continued driving to a nearby car park. Does this class as "for access"?
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I think it's here:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zdnq4GyubysJ8eH2A?g_st=ac
There's a "no motor vehicles except solo motorcycles" sign a few metres back.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FBZ5NSnG4wt95ahH8?g_st=ac
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The location of the photo appears to be here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/6BFyfqxfJL9P82fj9
and the prohibition is presumably the "no motor vehicles except for access" signed at the previous junction: https://maps.app.goo.gl/FcwGpMF3rS9X2UBY6
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Hi
I received this PCN from Havering Council. From the PCN, I'm unclear on what I did wrong. I went online and looked at the footage. There is a video of me driving through this road, but I'm still unclear on what I did wrong.
I also tried looking for this street on google maps street view to figure out if there was any signage indicating what I might have done wrong, but I just can't seem to find the road that match the appearance of the photo. It doesn't help that the location identifier is so vague - it doesn't seem to even specify if this is Eastern Road or South Street.
Can anyone here tell me why I received this PCN? It doesn't feel fair to issue a PCN that's so vague I can't even figure out the contravention that took place. What are people's views - is this even a valid PCN?
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