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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Lefeuvre76 on June 11, 2026, 11:47:15 am
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I will add some technical points shortly.
Video: does not show sign passed.
Website: just a challenge/general box. No grounds.
PCN: does not offer payment by post.
PCN: alleged conflation and missing increased payment in context of Part 2 of the 2003 Act.
I will draft all this shortly with relevant provisions as per the Act.
Plus, of course, other members' comments re the time.
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Missing as highlighted:
(8)A penalty charge notice under this section must—
(a)state—
(i)the grounds on which the council or, as the case may be, Transport for London believe that the penalty charge is payable with respect to the vehicle;
(ii)the amount of the penalty charge which is payable;
(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;
(iv)that if the penalty charge is paid before the end of the period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the amount of the penalty charge will be reduced by the specified proportion;
(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable;
(vi)the amount of the increased charge;
(vii)the address to which payment of the penalty charge must be sent; and
(viii)that the person on whom the notice is served may be entitled to make representations under paragraph 1 of Schedule 1 to this Act; and
(b)specify the form in which any such representations are to be made.
Missing grounds on website: 979 ff in this link:
https://bit.ly/2ALghSS
Adjudications notable cases.
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Alleged conflation:
https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639
Aleatoric of course.
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We have several cases to quote on triviality/clock accuracy and 10 seconds is trivial.
I'll dig out a case or two later. PCN is 8 June so no rush.
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You should submit representations on the basis that the clock in your car showed that the time was past 3.45, and you are somewhat astonished that the council see fit to serve a PCN timed 10 seconds before the end time, (3.44.50). You should point out that this is well within the legal definition of de minimis, and you expect the council to now cancel the PCN as it serves no traffic management purpose.
Wait a bit for other to comment or suggest a better text, but don't miss the deadline for payment or appeal on the PCN.
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My wife went to collect our daughter from her school recently. It has been allocated a 'school street' and cars are not allowed in between 3 pm and 3.45 pm. She was recorded going into the street at 3.44.50s.
Our car clock was obviously out of sync with the council clock, and she should have left herself some wiggle room, but it is what it is.
I am 100% sure they won't let us off out of the kindness of their hearts, as it was only 10 seconds early, but is there any other way I can fight it? How do we know their clocks are accurate?
I would be grateful if the experts could review the PCN and advise whether I have a case.
Here are the images of the original PCN
https://ibb.co/DgsK3ZHp
https://ibb.co/KcHMbDvw
https://ibb.co/gMb9zL4V
https://ibb.co/Q7mC451D
Screen shots of the website with link
https://ibb.co/xK2GFYm0
https://ibb.co/zVxm6d7g
https://pcnevidence.lewisham.gov.uk/
PCN number ZT22290395
REG: EY65AEL