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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Purple26 on June 02, 2026, 02:05:41 pm
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I will send the authorisation statment with a note as suggested by tincombes and will let you know outcome. Thanks everyone.
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Thanks for your reply.
I think the timeline is as follows:
29/05/2026 – PCN received.
09/06/2026 – I submitted a challenge via the Waltham Forest website on behalf of my fathe( see below) I did not receive any confirmation email or acknowledgement letter afterwards. Perhaps this is where I've gone wrong? Is it possible that my representations were not formally submitted?
07/07/2026 – I received a letter from H. Ali requesting an authority statement from my father. I haven't responded yet, as I wanted to seek advice from this forum first.
08/07/2026 – I then received a Charge Certificate.
This is letter I submitted on 9thjune :
I make these representations on behalf of my father, the registered keeper and driver at the time, with his authority.
Having reviewed the CCTV footage, I respectfully request that the council cancel this PCN. The vehicle's presence within the box junction was extremely brief and any stationary period, if present, was momentary. I would ask the council to consider whether this falls within the principle of de minimis, as any alleged contravention was trivial in duration and did not cause any significant obstruction to other road users.
In addition, my father has since been assessed by mental health services due to concerns regarding cognitive decline and memory difficulties. As a result of these concerns, he has now ceased driving altogether. Whilst I appreciate that this may not amount to a formal ground of appeal, I would ask the council to exercise its discretion and take these exceptional circumstances into account when considering this case.
Should the council require supporting evidence regarding my father's mental health assessment and cognitive difficulties, I would be willing to provide relevant medical documentation.
In the circumstances, I respectfully request that the PCN be cancelled.
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OP, have you made reps i.e. these were the trigger for H.Ali's letter? Let's at least be clear on this point.
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The website contains wrong grounds.
Five in total!
https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/wERopXp_xl.png
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Crossed lines here.
Taking their letter, signed by H. Ali, dated 7 July:
..'This document[authorisation statement] must be received within 14 days of the date of this letter, failing which the case will progress.'
Then a CC dated 8 July.
I would get the authorisation statement completed and send back to H. Ali with a note to the effect...
Thank you for your letter dated 7 July which I have at last got my father to sign(I raised his health issues in the representations and getting him to action matters is an unfortunate side effect) authorising me to act on his behalf in these matters. I hope you are now in a position to consider the representations sent to you earlier.
I also enclose a copy of a Charge Certificate dated 8 July which I assume has been sent by mistake and ask that you take whatever action is necessary. Given that this was sent notwithstanding the council's undertaking not to do so suggests a slight left and right hand issue which I am sure you can resolve.
I look forward to receiving your response to my dad's representations.
Regards,
I think fits the facts. If not, pl amend.
NB. no dilly dallying, get it done. The 14 days ends on 21st.
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You left it too late to respond to the PCN which is dated 26th May. My last post was 6th June, and you only came back to us on 11th July, beyond the 28 days you have to pay or respond to the PCN
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Hi everyone so i received a letter on 7/ 7/26 requesting an authorisation statement from my fathera and then a day letter received a charge certificate!
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1wFomuynKpxQ9fx3_mdgYrZjNObatrBlK
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Thanks. I will try my luck with the de minimis argument and father's mental health.
The car is actually in father's name. I will challenge pcn in his name( he's happy for me to do this)
You have no legal standing in terms of legal responsibility for the PCN. IN fact, you need to submit representations stating you are the sone, and thenand state the full facts about your father's dementia including copies of medical assessments. It it then more than likely they will give way. If they don't then take them to London Tribunals.
Also wait for others to comment, but don't miss the deadline on the PCN for submitting reps.
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Thanks. I will try my luck with the de minimis argument and father's mental health.
The car is actually in father's name. I will challenge pcn in his name( he's happy for me to do this)
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Is there any info on the PCN about viewing the video, (the sole evidence of the contravention) ? We need to see this to give good advice.
I tried looking for it on the WF website but can't find it. Of course it's the usual useless website, of course !
Found the video, which is available on the "challenge PCN" page. You are indeed correct the stop time was only 2 seconds, which for me is de minimis and they should give way on this, but won't, so you would have to take WF to London Tribunals with the full PCN penalty in play. However, you must first submit reps to WF, get them refused, and only then can you register an appeal at London Tribunals.
I don't think mentioning your fathers mental health will help matters, but see what the others say. I assume it is your car, correct ?
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Hi all,
I would be grateful for any advice regarding this .
Having reviewed the CCTV, the vehicle appears to have come to a stop within the yellow box for less than 2 seconds before traffic moved again. I appreciate that stopping in a box junction can constitute a contravention, but I was wondering whether such a brief stop might provide any grounds for challenge or whether there are any other arguments worth considering.
The driver was my father. Since receiving this PCN he has been assessed by the mental health team due to concerns regarding possible dementia/cognitive decline, and he has now stopped driving altogether. I appreciate this may not affect whether the contravention occurred, but I mention it in case it is relevant to any request for discretion.
Any thoughts, suggestions or help would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gxNJ5xbaHfrxpc8WFTkgrqhDv2YxEQPJ/view?usp=drivesdk
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Please read this and update your thread as necessary.
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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Hi all,
I would be grateful for any advice regarding this .
Having reviewed the CCTV, the vehicle appears to have come to a stop within the yellow box for less than 2 seconds before traffic moved again. I appreciate that stopping in a box junction can constitute a contravention, but I was wondering whether such a brief stop might provide any grounds for challenge or whether there are any other arguments worth considering.
The driver was my father. Since receiving this PCN he has been assessed by the mental health team due to concerns regarding possible dementia/cognitive decline, and he has now stopped driving altogether. I appreciate this may not affect whether the contravention occurred, but I mention it in case it is relevant to any request for discretion.
Any thoughts, suggestions or help would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
https://walthamocm.itsvc.co.uk/PCN/ViewImages
Soz I can see above link is not working. Will upload pcn documents tonight.