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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Rahm04 on June 01, 2026, 10:17:58 pm
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Do I need to submit the N180 form again if I have previously submitted it?
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I sent it with my defence last time.
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That's all good.
Have you sent in the N180 - the deadline is today?
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I wanted to provide an update on my case.
Since my last post, I have received another Notice of Proposed Allocation to the Small Claims Track, along with an email confirming that a mediation appointment has been scheduled for 8 August.
In the meantime, I have also received the information I requested from the DVLA. The DVLA response confirms that Smart Parking requested my registered keeper details on 18/12/2025 in relation to the alleged parking event on 06/12/2025.
Please let me know if this information has any significance for my defence or whether there is anything else I should be doing before the mediation appointment.
Thank you for your continued assistance.
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Thank you for your help.
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Search the forum.
You will have to submit your own N180 form in due course.
For example, https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/pcn-westbourne-medical-centre-payment-not-received/msg122491/#msg122491
Please, do your own research so you know what to expect. The process is well documented by examples here.
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I have submitted my defence. Is that enough or do I need to submit n180 form as well?
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I have filled the N180 form, where should I submit my defence? I haven't got access to mcol as it says that the claim number or password is wrong.
You posted the details (obscured) in Reply #3.
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I have filled the N180 form, where should I submit my defence? I haven't got access to mcol as it says that the claim number or password is wrong.
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The Claimant's PoC are sparse but I will offer the following skeleton defence;
1. Liability for the alleged debt is denied in its entirety and no money is owed to the Claimant.
2. It is acknowledged that I was the Registered Keeper of the vehicle at the material times.
3. That the driver of the vehicle is not known by the Claimant and there is no legal requirement for me to reveal who was driving at the material time and, as such, I will not be providing that information under any circumstance.
4. That the Claimant is attempting to rely on PoFA to invoke what is known as 'keeper liability' in an effort to move liability for the parking charge from the unknown driver onto myself.
5. That the Claimant is unable to rely on PoFA keeper liability in this particular instance because the Claimant's Notice to Keepers (NtK) were not served on the Registered Keeper (myself) within the required period of 14 days from the alleged contraventions.
6. That with the driver unknown and with PoFA unavailable, there is no legal route by which the Claimant can hold me liable for the parking charges.
7. On the basis of all the above the liability for the debt is denied.
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Any help please?
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I haven't got any response from dvla.
Tomorrow is the last day.
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I will do that now.
Thanks
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That's the date of the contravention, did it give the date on which they posted the PCN?
As I said earlier, send an SAR to DVLA as well to find out when the keeper records were accessed. This may give confirmation that the PCN was late. If this doesn't come back before the deadline for defence (or shows a date whereby they could have sent it within 14 days) then wording needs to be adjusted to suit.
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Yes, it is 06-13-2024 even on SAR. So what should I do now?
Thank you so much for your help.
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On the balance of probabilities the second PCN was also out of date.
My reasoning is;
That the PCN from 29/11 was only issued on 19/12.
So, even if the 2nd PCN from 6/12 was issued on the 19/12 it would still be out of time.
Smart PCNs from that time period were always out of time.
If you search the internet forums you will see dozens and dozens of historic Smart PCNs are being claimed for.
Someone has obviously decided to roll the dice en-masse knowing that a percentage will pay up.
They will have to produce the original PCN at the WS stage - based on their SAR reply one wonders if they are capable of doing that.
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OK, in the SAR response did Smart parking confirm the date they posted the PCN for the 06/12 contravention? Without the original doc the argument about POFA / issue date would need to be worded differently, i.e. for Smart to demonstrate that they posted it in time. You could SAR DVLA to see when Smart applied for your details, they may only have done it once and covered both events at the same time - can you recall if the PCNs came together?
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I received two parking tickets. When I spoke to the gym owner, he told me that if I joined his gym, even for just one month, he would have both tickets cancelled. One of the tickets was cancelled, but the other was not.
I only have a photo of one of the tickets, so I believe it must be the one that was cancelled. Unfortunately, I do not have a copy of the other ticket, which is the one that remains outstanding.
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The PCN contravention date in the first post is 29/11, whereas the one referenced in the claim is 06/12. So either there are 2 PCNs in play, or DCBL have messed up the POC. What date / ref no was on the SAR response from Smart?
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Yes - the PCN in your first post is out of date for keeper liability.
You can submit a short but too the point defence.
1. Liability for the alleged debt is denied in its entirety and no money is owed to the Claimant.
2. It is acknowledged that I was the Registered Keeper of the vehicle at the material time.
3. That the driver of the vehicle is not known by the Claimant and there is no legal requirement for me to reveal who was driving at the material time and, as such, I will not be providing that information under any circumstance.
4. That the Claimant is attempting to rely on PoFA to invoke what is known as 'keeper liability' in an effort to move liability for the parking charge from the unknown driver onto myself.
5. That the Claimant is unable to rely on PoFA keeper liability in this particular instance because the Claimant's Notice to Keeper (NtK) was not served on the Registered Keeper (myself) within the required period of 14 days from the alleged contravention.
6. That with the driver unknown and with PoFA unavailable, there is no legal route by which the Claimant can hold me liable for the parking charge.
7. On the basis of all the above the liability for the debt is denied.
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Anyone who can help me? As I am approaching the end of date
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Can someone help me with it, please
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No, they haven't shared.
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So, is there a PCN to post up for us to check?
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I got reply this reply from them
"Further to your recent Subject Access Request.
Please find attached all personal data held on Smart Parking’s systems in relation to you and your PCN. The data provided has been re-generated from our system as we hold data in raw form, rather than hard copies of paperwork. For this reason, letters are not reproduced on headed paper and the date displayed is the date of reprinting, rather than the original date. If we are able to provide the original, the same will be attached here for you.
For clarity, Smart Parking process personal data in relation to vehicles which enter the sites we manage, for the purpose of effectively managing car parking sites, including to confirm if a parking contravention has occurred, and for issuing parking charge notices which arise as a result of contravention of our terms.
Our lawful basis for processing this data is our legitimate interests and third-party legitimate interests of our landowner clients. We process your data in the least invasive manner possible and ensure that any data we process is minimised.
We do not retain data beyond the period necessary in order to carry out the purpose referenced above. Only anonymised data is kept thereafter for the purposes of DVLA and trade association auditing.
We trust the above information is of assistance, however if you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact us.
We have also provided a copy of our terms and conditions for reference."
And it only shows the PCN number, my details (name, address and car registration number), contravention date, location and contravention P15 number.
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okay.
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I am unsure if I previously submitted an appeal, although I am fairly certain that I have not :(
A SAR will reveal this info so act quickly.
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I am unsure if I previously submitted an appeal, although I am fairly certain that I have not :(
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Therefore you have until 8 June to file your defence or Acknowledgment of Service
If you file an AoS by then, you have until 22 June to file a defence
If you send a Subject Access Request to the parking company (Smart Parking, NOT DCB Legal) asking for all personal information they hold on you including anything sent from you to them, you could get a copy of your appeal, but you need to do this as a matter of urgency to meet the 22 June deadline for filing your defence.
PS 19 May makes no difference to these deadlines
PPS If you never sent an appeal to Smart Parking, then clearly you did not identify the driver.
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It is 19th of May.
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Letter was issued on 18 May 2026.
To be honest as it has been more than a year I do not remember if I mentioned anything about the driver in appeal or not.
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https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/ requests, amongst other things, that you do not obscure dates as you have done.
You have 14+5 days from the date on the N1SDT form to file a defence or an Acknowledgement of Service; if you file AoS you have a further 14 days to file your defence.
If the PCN you posted part of is the original PCN and if you have not identified the driver then you have a defence that the PCN was sent too late to use the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 to transer liability from the unknown driver to the registered keeper.
Search the forum for similar examples and their associated defences. Do not overlook your deadlines for submission which only you know.
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Hi everyone,
I have recently received a claim form from DCB regarding a parking charge from December 2024.
I am the owner of the car and the driver parked at a gym car park and later got a parking ticket.
Drive spoke to the gym manager at that time, and he said that if a one month gym membership was taken out, he would be able to cancel the parking ticket. Based on that, driver took out the membership.
After that, I moved to another city and thought the issue had been sorted. However, I've now received the claim form date 19 May 2026, which I only found out as I was away.
I don't have the full original parking ticket, just part of the photo evidence, which I've been able to get hold of.
I have attached the claim form. Could someone please help me understand what's going on and what I should do next?
https://imgpile.com/p/czB3vSF
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Thanks.