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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: pancho82 on May 29, 2026, 03:47:38 pm

Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd PCN - no permit - Whitworth Close car park, Gosport
Post by: InterCity125 on May 30, 2026, 08:22:53 am
Before to make the double dip appeal but only as Registered Keeper.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd PCN - no permit - Whitworth Close car park, Gosport
Post by: jfollows on May 29, 2026, 06:01:42 pm
I would personally refer them to https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/Sector%20Code%20Templates/sectorsingleCodeofPracticeVersion1.1130426-2.pdf and tell them I won’t be paying, per
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NOTE 1: The manual quality control check for remote ANPR and CCTV systems is
particularly important for detecting issues such as “double dipping”, where image camera
systems might have failed to accurately record each instance when a vehicle enters and
leaves controlled land, and for checking images that might have been taken other than by
a trained parking attendant (see Clause 15). The manual check might also reveal where
“tailgating” – vehicles passing a camera close together – is a problem, suggesting
relocation of the camera might be necessary.
It’s their incompetence and lack of a proper quality control check which has led to this.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd PCN - no permit - Whitworth Close car park, Gosport
Post by: pancho82 on May 29, 2026, 05:41:08 pm
Is this a “double dip”, that’s to say did you visit 19 hours later but they missed your earlier exit?

Ah yes I think this might be what's happened! The driver did return the next day, but still didn't park there. I guess this should be easy enough to explain? There doesn't seem to be much opportunity to explain yourself when you try to appeal.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd PCN - no permit - Whitworth Close car park, Gosport
Post by: pancho82 on May 29, 2026, 05:39:12 pm
I cannot access either image?

Ah apologies! Have changed the access so you should be able to view now
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd PCN - no permit - Whitworth Close car park, Gosport
Post by: jfollows on May 29, 2026, 05:08:24 pm
I cannot access either image?
Not just you, nor can I.
“Permissions” need to be set appropriately I think.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd PCN - no permit - Whitworth Close car park, Gosport
Post by: InterCity125 on May 29, 2026, 04:34:15 pm
I cannot access either image?
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd PCN - no permit - Whitworth Close car park, Gosport
Post by: pancho82 on May 29, 2026, 04:07:23 pm
Well over the 14 days to claim against the keeper.
However, they make no mention of the PoFA to claim.

The issue date on the PCN is only 21st May so is still within the 14 days for reduced payment, and 28 days for appeal.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd PCN - no permit - Whitworth Close car park, Gosport
Post by: Dave65 on May 29, 2026, 03:57:22 pm
Well over the 14 days to claim against the keeper.
However, they make no mention of the PoFA to claim.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd PCN - no permit - Whitworth Close car park, Gosport
Post by: jfollows on May 29, 2026, 03:52:25 pm
Is this a “double dip”, that’s to say did you visit 19 hours later but they missed your earlier exit?
Title: Civil Enforcement Ltd PCN - no permit - Whitworth Close car park, Gosport
Post by: pancho82 on May 29, 2026, 03:47:38 pm
Received this PCN stating that the car was parked for 19 hours, when in fact the vehicle was only there for a matter of minutes. The photo that they submitted as 'evidence' clearly shows that the vehicle was still moving. I have no idea where they got the 19 hours from!

There doesn't seem to be many options in way of appealing. Can someone point me in the right direction please?

Thanks!

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