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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: gmoney on May 22, 2026, 10:03:56 am
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Thanks - video now reviewed. Agree that I don't think there's anything in there that would save you.
The non-compliance of the box is a strong argument from my perspective, but I had a look on London Tribunals to see if there had been any previous success on those grounds. The name of the location is such that it's not straightforward to get many hits, but this one did come up. Not sure I fully understand the logic.
Case Details
Case reference 2250514995
Appellant Michael Ingram
Authority Royal Borough of Greenwich
VRM EO17OEP
PCN Details
PCN GR24083391
Contravention date 09 Sep 2025
Contravention time 07:31:00
Contravention location Blackwall Ln / o/s Meantime Brewery
Penalty amount GBP 160.00
Contravention Entering and stopping in a box junction
Referral date -
Decision Date 20 Feb 2026
Adjudicator Andrew Harman
Appeal decision Appeal refused
Direction Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid within 28 days.
Reasons
The appellant attended the hearing of this appeal today on the Microsoft Teams video conferencing platform. The council did not attend the hearing, it not being expected to do so.
The contravention alleged in these proceedings is that this vehicle, at Blackwall Lane, outside Meantime Brewery, entered and stopped in a box junction when prohibited.
I reserved my decision.
The appellant contends that this box is not marked in compliance with the statutory requirements as identified in his letter of 25 January 2026, supported by the evidence he provides.
I have considered what is said.
Although the entrance to the Meantime Brewery is, as the appellant says, locked, gated, and without public access, a 'road', on the decided cases, is defined as extending from building line to building line. This vehicular entrance to the brewery, in my view, meets that requirement, it I note being on/at Telcon Road, albeit that pubic access is controlled. I thus find that this box is marked at the junction of two roads, and I am satisfied that this contravention occurred.
The appeal is refused.
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Apologies, classic first time poster error - VRM is RF65 RZC
Video will show me bang to rights, just wondering about the legality of the box in the first place. Appreciate the advice!
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Please can you confirm the vehicle registration so we can review the video.
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You've blanked the VRM...
In this case Greenwich defaulted but has arguments.
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/greenwich-31j-stopping-in-yellow-box-blakwall-lane/15/
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Google SVW link - https://maps.app.goo.gl/L2Bpfh6PprbMLRYm8
PCN - https://postimg.cc/dhrjcytb
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Welcome to FTLA!
For meanungful advice please to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post here all sides of the PCN (only redact yr name & address from documents - leave all else in),.
The video - this is the evidence,
and a GSV link to the location.
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Hi all
I've recieved a PCN for stopping briefly in the yellow box outside meantime brewery, and the PCN is £160, reduced to £80, which is a little steep.
Grounds for appeal would be that there was slow moving traffic continuously over it, no additional signage, but *critically* it appears a yellow box can only be legally on a road without a junction in the following circs: 'on the length of road adjacent to the vehicular entrance to the premises of a fire, police, or ambulance station'. This is a small box is outside Meantime brewery, and I would have thought should be a KEEP CLEAR rather than a fined yellow box. Would I be correct in thinking that? Or should I bite the bullet and pay>
https://imgpile.com/p/MiSykPQ
Thanks all!
G