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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: namesarehard on December 03, 2023, 09:47:25 am

Title: Re: Kingston 53J entering pedestrian zone Alexandra Road Junction of Park Road
Post by: John U.K. on December 05, 2023, 11:14:05 am

Quote from: concoj on December 05, 2023, 11:04:41 am

hi, I also received a 53J

waht should I do? please help

Please start your own thread: see here for guidance

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

Title: Re: Kingston 53J entering pedestrian zone Alexandra Road Junction of Park Road
Post by: concoj on December 05, 2023, 11:04:41 am

hi, I also received a 53J

waht should I do? please help

Title: Re: Kingston 53J entering pedestrian zone Alexandra Road Junction of Park Road
Post by: Hippocrates on December 04, 2023, 07:05:32 pm

Not possible to ascertain what the other appeal details were.  RH sign is obscured in part by foliage.

Title: Re: Kingston 53J entering pedestrian zone Alexandra Road Junction of Park Road
Post by: namesarehard on December 04, 2023, 04:54:41 pm

Also, I went to look at the signs yesterday and have uploaded more images at https://imgur.com/a/dc6aOS3

The video cuts off just before the junction as I was concentrating on the sign more at that time but seems reasonable to me that a bus could obscure the red warning sign as it's within the stop and those signs are hard to see, considering what else is going on on that road.

Also some responses back over at http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=152286

Title: Kingston 53J entering pedestrian zone Alexandra Road Junction of Park Road
Post by: namesarehard on December 03, 2023, 09:47:25 am

I'm going back to look at this in person tomorrow as I'm interested to see what point you can see these signs when turning as, and perhaps I'm a bad driver, but I'm not sure I could mentally process those signs on a good day. As it happens I was on my way to visit my terminally ill father who passed that night and only turned up this road as remembered gas works ahead.

Is there any argument that they're not facing the oncoming traffic please? Seems a strange choice as it's not a crossroads.
A stretch... but the signs are partially obscured in their evidence?
Only looking at previous cases (and now streetview) there's apparantly a previous red sign indicating this but quite possible obscured by trafffic and (in previous cases/ streetview but I'll check tomorrow) foliage.

PCNS and video - https://imgur.com/a/5dsgkYD

Streetview https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4173905,-0....i8192?entry=ttu

I can see a recent appeal (2230417715 on https://londontribunals.org.uk/) but there's no detail (council didn't contest), is there any way to find the details of that please?

If this is just a learning experience then fair enough, just I can ill afford it at the moment.

Many thanks in advance