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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Wideload on April 12, 2026, 09:43:36 pm
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Thank you, I do feel like a bit of a dive for this
PM sent. We usually find a way.
Mitigating circumstances
I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. The driver is from the north of England and unfamiliar with the area. The stop was made to enable a disabled passenger to alight the vehicle - this is not shown in the video. We could not find any other place to park at the time.
Driving circumstances
While on the one way system we were travelling on a bend on a 3 lane one way stretch of road, the driver decided it was not safe to stop there and block the traffic behind so she would look for the earliest opportunity to pull over. As we came around the 90 degree bend after some public house and saw a large layby we pulled over.
Signs
This bus stop appears to be quite a long one. Also, I put you to strict proof that any such upright sign is the correct colour and has been maintained to satisfy the TSRGD 2016 and meet visibility and placement requirements under the Traffic Signs Manual (TSM) and TSRGD 2016. We saw none at the beginning and none actually facing us.
Camera certification
I also put you to strict proof that you have a valid certificate.
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As per my PM, add the personal details too but no need to post them here. I am happy to take this case on for you at the Tribunal. Before you shoot off any representations, please draft to me first via PM.
Please edit accordingly as I am busy with a hearing tomorrow plus writing an appeal for another member at the moment. Please screenshot every page of the reps. page on their website too because it is pants: only 5 moving traffic grounds!
WELL DONE FOR FIGHTING AND NOT JOINING THE MUGGED CLUB.
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Thank you, I do feel like a bit of a dive for this
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I agree with @stamfordman. I will head out there nowish and have a look at the upright sign to see if it complies. The car stopped right by it though!
The upright sign is as faded as ever. I will carefully draft something later tonight.
The only place to pull in is Nipper Alley, just before the Spoons. There used to be an iconic photograph of a Spy Camera Car parked there some few years ago.
https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/EF5cfPv_xl.JPG
Hell fire, tempus fugit: from 2012.
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Oh and what's a Hippo as stated in an earlier reply?
Hippocrates, as per Reply#10
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I do but I was overly stressed, and had been carved up a few times going round the block felt unsafe trying to stop there.
Oh and what's a Hippo as stated in an earlier reply?
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If I'm honest I didn't see any signs, and had both passengers shrieking about getting to the venue in time and being able to walk the distance, having circled the area several times looking for anywhere to stop safely so was more than a little stressed
Did you not know that you can alight passengers on single or double yellow lines ? There seem to be some either side of the bus stop.
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I agree with @stamfordman. I will head out there nowish and have a look at the upright sign to see if it complies. The car stopped right by it though!
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The council can use discretion and should do if you can provide solid evidence of disability and access issues.
But the contravention is there. It looks like there were yellow lines just before the stop you could have alighted from.
This is Hippo territory so he may have something.
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If I'm honest I didn't see any signs, and had both passengers shrieking about getting to the venue in time and being able to walk the distance, having circled the area several times looking for anywhere to stop safely so was more than a little stressed
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Still at the first notice stage.
There is no 'first' notice as such, which implies a second. This is the only notice. If the 'buses only' sign was in situ, then IMO all you have is mitigation. Occasionally defences emerge based on technical arguments e.g. lack of visible and correct signage(having regard to the length of the bay) etc. You should at least post the video or alternatively the PCN number and VRM so we can access.
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I'll take a look later at the stop today. RBK have a major issue with their paperwork at present. So, yes, I would make formal representations. Did you not see any upright sign or even look for one? I guess not from watching the video.
Back later with a draft.
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/kingston-upon-thames-pcn-47j-stopped-on-a-restricted-bus-stop-location-clarence-/msg111771/#msg111771
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Still at the first notice stage.
There is no 'first' notice as such, which implies a second. This is the only notice. If the 'buses only' sign was in situ, then IMO all you have is mitigation. Occasionally defences emerge based on technical arguments e.g. lack of visible and correct signage(having regard to the length of the bay) etc. You should at least post the video or alternatively the PCN number and VRM so we can access.
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We always recommend PCNs be contested at least once, at the informal stage; just coughing-up is joining the Mugged Club. Your reps would come under 'mitigation'. But if you want further help, please post the required documents as per the link I posted.
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Hi well, it's the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames.
Pcn reads, 47j stopped on restricted bus stop or stand (camera enforcement)
Still at the first notice stage.
So the driver of the vehicle dropped off his disabled partner for them to attend a gig at a local venue.
They had circled the area numerous times trying to find a safe and convenient location as his partner has limited mobility and everywhere else was unsafe .
The driver is unfamiliar with the area being from the north East.
Is it worth trying to contest the Pcn or not?
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Any PCN can be contested, the issue is - will the representations be accepted or not ? And if not, would an appeal to London Tribunals succeed or not.
You have told us virtually nothing, so please read this and update your thread accordingly: -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
However you should be aware that restricted bus-stops have no exemptions for BB holders.
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So the driver of the vehicle stopped at a bus stop to drop off a disabled passenger and carer for a gig in at a local venue, only safe place avaliable was bus stop, vehicle is a motability car with blue badge registered to the driver, can it be contested?