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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: kragnar on April 09, 2026, 06:33:15 pm
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You bring up a good point. I haven’t been able to find any signage or road markings that clearly indicate where the 440-yard limit ends.
I drove along this road this morning and can confirm that, today, there are a succession of No U Turn signs with an ever decreasing number of yards plates until there is a No U Turns sign with an End plate. The approximate position of the End plate is here:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/iQ4LTMkH1U1Cqbfs7?g_st=ic
This seems to be about 440 yards.
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The whole PCN please.
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Just bear in mind that London councils refuse virtually all representations because they know that if they do, >95% of people then pay-up. I doubt your case will be any different. To get an unbiased result, the only place is London Tribunals.
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You bring up a good point. I haven’t been able to find any signage or road markings that clearly indicate where the 440-yard limit ends.
As mentioned above, that makes it difficult for a driver to know with any certainty where a U-turn would be permitted. In practice, the only options are to estimate the distance or to avoid turning altogether until well beyond what you reasonably believe to be the restricted area.
The appeal deadline is approaching, so I plan to submit a challenge on that basis—namely, that the restriction isn’t clearly defined or adequately communicated to motorists.
I’ll update the thread once I receive a response. That said, I’m not especially optimistic given how these cases are often handled by councils. I may consider taking it to adjudication, although I’m still weighing up whether this point alone is strong enough to justify going that far.
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Unless there's a repeater sign or further continuation of the restriction, is there a sign 440yds further up the road designating the point at which the no u-turn restriction ends? Is one required? Otherwise, how do you know when the restriction ends without measuring it yourself?
Reason for mentioning this is that Redbridge have recently introduced a no u-turn restriction in both directions on Cranbrook Rd (between Balfour Rd and Wellesley Rd) and unlike them to be helpful, have actually installed a sign at both ends to show where the restriction finishes.
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GSV October 2024 shows the pole for the sign present, but not the "No U-Turn" sign. GSV August 2025 shows the sign h as been installed, so this restriction is relatively new, but I can't see this helping you in any way. However, wait a bit to see what else might be suggested, but don't miss any PN deadlines.
2024
https://maps.app.goo.gl/52MmZuDLDHxbyHdM9
2025
https://maps.app.goo.gl/t7KjWMqDDihHE7Aa7
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Here is the GSV that i searched up and found:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/YyQR1pMxHNrW5iCy9
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Video of the sign and your U-turn after passing it is very clear. Could you post a GSV link to the location, please.
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Hi,
I’ve received a PCN from Waltham Forest for an alleged prohibited U-turn, and I’m trying to figure out the best way to approach it.
The notice includes video evidence on their appeal site. What’s confusing is that this is a road with multiple recorded usage on previous occasions without any issues, so this has come as a bit of a surprise. I’m not sure if the restriction is something that’s been introduced recently or if it’s been there for a while but just isn’t very noticeable.
I’ve since gone back to the location and can see that there is a sign in place, although it wasn’t something I noticed at the time.
I haven’t submitted an appeal yet, as I wanted to get some advice first before taking any steps.
Would appreciate any guidance on whether this is worth challenging, if there are any valid grounds to appeal, or if there’s anything else I should consider before responding.
I have access to all the evidence on the council’s site, including the video, and can share it if that helps.
Thanks in advance.
GSV: https://maps.app.goo.gl/YyQR1pMxHNrW5iCy9
https://imgpile.com/p/oLnWOGk