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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: bw0906 on April 08, 2026, 04:49:55 pm
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Hi,
Does anyone have any advice or guidance on the next steps based on the information I have provided above? I’m wary that my last day to submit to the tribunal is on Friday. I have had no response back from Ealing about reinstating the discount period. I might send a stern email tomorrow morning to nudge them.
I visited the site of the contravention to see what’s so special about it. There are 2 signs at the entrance of the pedestrian zone but part of it is obscured by a sign post - I don’t know if that’s something that could be argued. The main sign that you can see on the camera is really tall and you can see the height difference of the two either side of the road. I tried to measure it with a tape measure and couldn’t reach so apple measure was the best I could do.
https://imgpile.com/p/s0p97sO
Many thanks.
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I did some digging around last night and found some interesting information.
https://www.ealing.gov.uk/info/201146/neighbourhood_and_streets/2610/ealing_school_streets/2
talks about the signage and that there are 2 signs at the entrances to the scheme in accordance of TSRGD 2016. There isn't because the blue sign mentioned in the letter is not a legal traffic sign (I think?)
They talk about advance warning with signs saying "no right turn ahead" etc but the blue sign only says road ahead closed and doesn't specify distance.
https://www.ealing.gov.uk/info/201146/neighbourhood_and_streets/2610/ealing_school_streets
apparently the aim of these school zones is to reduce childhood obesity, but I don't know how me being fined for accidentally driving down the road fixes that problem.
The feedback evaluation done before implementing the zone shows majority of people bar one small population were very against including staff of the school.
https://www.ealing.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/20372/evaluation_report_coston_primaryedward_betham_cofe.pdf
That being said, the officer decided in the name of safety (which I didn't find evidence for) agreed to go ahead with the school zone.
https://www.ealing.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/20371/officer_decision_report_including_eaa_-_tranche_7_school_streets.pdf
Additionally, I have identified an article detailing the revenues generated from individual school streets schemes.
https://www.ealing.news/news/ealing-councils-school-street-fines-top-15m/
The Coston and Edward Betham Primary School zone—where my alleged contravention occurred—was introduced on 10/03/2025 (less than a year by the time the article was written), had already generated £2,461,049.48 in revenue.
The school streets programme began in 2020, yet this location has exceeded the revenue of every other scheme introduced since that time in under a year. Such an exceptional level of enforcement strongly suggests that the restriction is not being clearly or adequately conveyed to motorists. If this doesn't prove that the signage is inadequate, then I don't know what will.
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The sensible next step is to register an appeal with London Tribunals now, not to pay £160 straight away. After a Notice of Rejection, you have 28 days from service of that notice to either pay or appeal. There is no fee to appeal, and costs are only awarded in rare cases where someone has behaved frivolously, vexatiously or wholly unreasonably. London Tribunals also says you should send the appeal in promptly even if all your evidence is not ready, and say that the rest will follow.
Your being abroad is understandable, but I would not put that forward as the main legal point. The timetable runs from service of the notice, not from when you got back and opened the post, so the flight tickets are better used to explain the timing and to support a request that Ealing re-offer the £80.
The 86-day delay is arguable, but it is not a guaranteed winner. For London moving-traffic PCNs, London Tribunals says councils should normally respond within 3 months, and its published material says the 56-day rule is for parking matters, not moving-traffic cases. So delay is a supporting fairness point, not a silver bullet.
The weak part in the case at the moment is that nobody can properly assess the real merits without seeing the PCN, your original representations, and the Notice of Rejection. The stronger points, if they exist, are likely to be in the paperwork, the wording, or the signage, not just in the fact you were away. That is why I would protect the deadline first and then tighten the argument.
My practical answer is this. Do not miss the tribunal deadline. I can draft two short documents for you: first, a London Tribunals appeal wording to get the appeal lodged in time; second, a firm email to Ealing asking them to restore the £80 because you acted promptly once aware and have travel proof. You would then lodge the appeal yourself and send the email yourself. That is the safest route. Paying ends the matter; appealing keeps the case alive without any appeal fee and gives you a proper chance of cancellation.
That would be really helpful if you don't mind. I'd be extremely grateful.
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Thank you everyone who has replied and showed your support. I was out of the country for a funeral, and this was the last thing I wanted to deal with on my return. But if the council wants to play games, then sod it, I’m petty enough to make them work for it. Here is absolutely everything in regard to this PCN notice.
PCN number: AO07995441
Date of Contravention: 058/12/2025 15:14
Location of Contravention: Oldfield Lane South, Greenford (1) (U)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/iyYpx1XGMyMc36Jp7
It is a relatively new pedestrian zone, think it’s been in place under a year.
Vehicle Registration: WF62 XWJ
Nature of Contravention: 53J Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone.
Using this link Ealing Council - https://ealing.tarantoportal.com/you can view the details and photos, but I’ll try and attach them to this post too.
Unfortunately, I don’t have the original PCN notice. I had thrown it away last month since I hadn’t received a reply and was naïve to think the council has dropped it.
This was the email I had sent after receiving the PCN:
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2025 3:46:46 PM
To: parkingrep@ealing.gov.uk <parkingrep@ealing.gov.uk>
Subject: Representation Against PCN AO07995441
To whom this may concern,
This email is written to formally challenge the Penalty Charge Notice issued for vehicle WF62XWJ for the alleged traffic contravention 53J – failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering pedestrian zone Oldfield Lane South on 08/12/2025 at 15:14:48.
Kindly consider the following points:
1. Recent Signage Change
The new street sign and pedestrian zone was reportedly introduced in March as shown in public forums. There appears to be no news of this implementation on the official council website. As the vehicle is registered outside of London and Ealing Council, the driver will be unaware of this change until they happen to drive on the restricted road.
2. Visibility and Positioning Issues
One the day in question, the camera footage indicates it was raining heavily. This is evidenced by several pedestrians carrying umbrellas in the footage. The signage is also positioned above the eyeline of the driver entering the pedestrian zone. It can be argued that under such conditions, noticing small print on signage while maintaining road safety (concentrating on the road ahead) is difficult which is evidently what has occurred in this case.
3. Lack of Safe Opportunity to Comply
According to Public Notice Portal, the restriction zone begins at house number 148 which is parallel to the signpost. By the time the driver is able to notice the sign under such weather conditions, they have passed the left turn that would have allowed them to avoid entering the time restricted pedestrian zone. There is no safe way to turn around beyond this point without impeding the flow of traffic and pedestrians. The sign should ideally be placed before the left turn to give drivers a reasonable chance to comply.
4. Evidence of Attempt to Rectify
Unfortunately, the enforcement footage has conveniently left out the drivers attempt to rectify their mistake at the roundabout further ahead seen in the images. As previously mentioned, given the conditions, the driver is unable to see the signage until it is too late leaving them with no safe method of leaving the zone. The only option now left is for the driver to safely turn around at the roundabout ahead to exit the pedestrian zone.
5. First Offence and Request for Leniency
Notice AO07995441 is the first offence registered to vehicle WF62XWJ and kindly ask for discretionary leniency given the circumstances listed above.
Thank you for taking these mitigating factors into account and hope you consider cancelling the PCN. Please reply to this email if you have any further questions.
Wishing you and all the staff at Ealing Council a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Yours Faithfully,
X
To which I received this standard email:
From: ParkingRep <ParkingRep@ealing.gov.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2025 3:47:10 PM
Subject: RE: Representation Against PCN AO07995441
Thank you for your email.
**Please do not reply to this message as it is an automated response**
Response times
Informal challenges = 30 working days
Formal* representations = 30 working days
*We will consider any written challenge submitted against the issue of a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) up until the issue of a Charge Ccertificate. However, correspondence is only considered to be ‘formal’ once a Notice to Owner, Enforcement Notice or postal Penalty Charge Notice has been served to the registered keeper of the vehicle.
We aim to respond to all representations within the time periods stated above. Please avoid contacting us for an update about your case during this time, as this may cause further delay. Please also allow extra time for your correspondence to reach us if you have sent it in by post.
If your correspondence is received within the discounted period stated on the PCN, we will place the case on hold and honour the discounted amount regardless of how long it takes for a response to be issued.
Correspondence received after the issue of a Charge Certificate or Order for Recovery will be placed on to the case but there is currently no specific time period within which a response will be sent to you. Equally, if correspondence is received after a case has been paid in full, it will be placed on to the record but there is no statutory response period.
If you wish to contest the issue of a penalty at either the informal or formal stages then please do not make payment. Doing so will close the case and there is no form of appeal once the case is paid and closed.
Your details
Please ensure that you provide your PCN reference number, vehicle registration number, name and current address details when corresponding with us. Without these details we may not be able to locate your records and the case may progress.
Formal representations
Responses to formal representations are sent to the DVLA named registered keeper only. Once your representation has been received the case will be placed on hold and investigated. If the PCN is not cancelled then a Notice of Rejection will be served to the registered keeper of the vehicle with an option to make a payment or appeal to the London Tribunal.
You can check the status of your PCN by accessing our website:
https://www.ealing.gov.uk/info/201180/tickets_and_fines/2029/view_a_penalty_charge_notice
Please do not reply to this message - it is an automated response.
Many thanks,
Parking Services
London borough of Ealing
As mentioned in my original post, I heard nothing back from them until I returned and checked my post box on the 8th. I have attached pictures of the letter.
https://imgpile.com/p/dMsMpTO
I tried calling and had no luck. I submitted a challenge including proof of flight tickets on the portal. Please see below:
From: ealing@tarantopermits.com <ealing@tarantopermits.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2026 4:02:12 PM
Subject: Acknowledgement Email
*DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL.This is an automated email and the email address is not monitored*
I can confirm that we have received your challenge, which will be attached onto the case.
Please find below the information you submitted online.
Submission Date/Time: 08/04/2026 16:02:10
PCN Reference: AO07995441
Submission Reference: 30078970
Personal information redacted
Notes:
Your Notes: I am writing to make a formal complaint regarding the handling of the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) and the subsequent increase of the charge to £160. I received a letter titled Notice of Rejection of Formal Representation on 8 April 2026. The letter itself is dated 20 March 2026. I wish to make it clear that I was out of the country from 22 March to 7 April 2026, and therefore I am unable to confirm the exact date the letter arrived at my address. (It hadn't arrived by the 22nd) Due to my absence, I was not in a position to view or respond to this correspondence within the timeframe expected. Despite this, the charge has now been increased to £160, which I dispute and refuse to pay. I would also like to highlight that the council had 86 days to respond to my formal representation. Having taken this length of time, it is unreasonable that enforcement action has progressed during the brief two week period when I was overseas and unable to access my post. I respectfully request that, in light of these circumstances, the charge be reverted to £80, as the escalation was beyond my control and not due to any failure or negligence on my part. I have attached my flight tickets as proof of my absence with my family's details redacted.
Uploaded Evidence:
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I also sent another email to the parkingrep@ealing.gov.uk in hopes that they would see it in time but that’s incredibly unlikely. I then received the same automated reply as before.
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2026 4:06:59 PM
To: parkingrep@ealing.gov.uk <parkingrep@ealing.gov.uk>
Subject: Fw: Acknowledgement Email
Hello,
I have tried calling several times and have not been able to get through to a human being.
Please see below the complaint that I have made. Please can you let me when the charge amount has been amended. I'd rather not have to take this to an independent adjudicator but I refuse to pay the inflated charge.
Kind regards,
X
Things to add:
It seems like this is a location people get caught out on a lot. I’ve seen other forum posts on here where people have mentioned the exact same contravention.
There are several posts as well on facebook about people complaining that the signage is not adequate:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/around.northolt/posts/2575583946151141/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/around.northolt/posts/2455855414790662/
I’ve asked someone who works locally to drive along the road and film it from the car when they get a chance to see if that the blue sign exists and whether it is readable.
The camera is also before the sign, so there’s 100% chance you’re going to get caught and even when you do notice the sign there is absolutely no where to go.
The school the pedestrian zone is supposed to be protecting is after the roundabout that I turned around at anyway, so it seems a bit silly.
Once again, thank you for looking into this. I really do appreciate it. 😊
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What's the panic for? NOR dated 20th March is deemed served 24th March so day 1 starts from then= 20th April to file the appeal.
By the sounds of it, this is not a DIY appeal anyway. As for energy, we have plenty.
Please show the PCN as there is a potential wording issue. And I have had some successes on this. And all the other stuff requested.
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The sensible next step is to register an appeal with London Tribunals now, not to pay £160 straight away. After a Notice of Rejection, you have 28 days from service of that notice to either pay or appeal. There is no fee to appeal, and costs are only awarded in rare cases where someone has behaved frivolously, vexatiously or wholly unreasonably. London Tribunals also says you should send the appeal in promptly even if all your evidence is not ready, and say that the rest will follow.
Your being abroad is understandable, but I would not put that forward as the main legal point. The timetable runs from service of the notice, not from when you got back and opened the post, so the flight tickets are better used to explain the timing and to support a request that Ealing re-offer the £80.
The 86-day delay is arguable, but it is not a guaranteed winner. For London moving-traffic PCNs, London Tribunals says councils should normally respond within 3 months, and its published material says the 56-day rule is for parking matters, not moving-traffic cases. So delay is a supporting fairness point, not a silver bullet.
The weak part in the case at the moment is that nobody can properly assess the real merits without seeing the PCN, your original representations, and the Notice of Rejection. The stronger points, if they exist, are likely to be in the paperwork, the wording, or the signage, not just in the fact you were away. That is why I would protect the deadline first and then tighten the argument.
My practical answer is this. Do not miss the tribunal deadline. I can draft two short documents for you: first, a London Tribunals appeal wording to get the appeal lodged in time; second, a firm email to Ealing asking them to restore the £80 because you acted promptly once aware and have travel proof. You would then lodge the appeal yourself and send the email yourself. That is the safest route. Paying ends the matter; appealing keeps the case alive without any appeal fee and gives you a proper chance of cancellation.
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If the council are insisting on £160, then it is a total and absolute NO-BRAINER to now register an appeal at London Tribunals; what have you got to lose ? There are no additional costs whatsoever, and you could win on their excessive delay in responding to your rep.
LT normally consider responses over 90 days as unfair delay, but your 86 days is close enough, in my book. You could also mention that for formal reps against postal PCNs under the Traffic Management Act 2004, responses must be sent within 56 days from their receipt by the council.
HOwever, you told us damn-all about the actual allegation, and many appeals are won on signage of these restricted streets, so advice is not to join the Mugged CLub, but make them do some work for a change.
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Post up the PCN, your appeal and the rejection letter. It's possible there are some technical appeals. If you appeal to the adjudicator the cost will be no more than £160 if you lose - but at least you will have made the council work for their money, and it's not unknown for them to not contest appeals.
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Just an update, I got through to the switchboard and they said that the PCN team doesn't have a phone number because everything needs to be documented. It looks like my only option is to pay the £160 or take it the adjudicators.
If I lose the appeal with the adjudicator, would they order me to pay the £160, or do you think they would honour the discounted period and only make me pay the £80 since I did everything correctly?
£160 is just so much money, it's more than what I earn in a day. I regret appealing in the first place now...
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Hi,
I’m hoping someone can advise because I’m feeling pretty stuck and frustrated.
I received a PCN for entering a pedestrian zone. I submitted an appeal on 24 December (within the 14‑day discount window). After that, I heard absolutely nothing for months.
I’ve now received a Notice of Rejection of Formal Representations, which I received today (8 April), but the letter itself is dated 20 March. The issue is that I’ve been out of the country since 22 March and only returned late last night (7 April), so I had no way of knowing when this letter actually arrived.
At this point, I didn’t have the energy to fight it further (and assumed I probably wouldn’t win anyway), so I decided I would just pay the discounted amount — only to find the charge has been increased from £80 to £160.
The letter states:
“You now have 14 days beginning with the date that this notice of rejection is served on you to pay the penalty charge at the discounted amount of £80. If payment is not received within 14 days beginning with the date that this notice of rejection is served on you, the penalty charge will increase to the full amount of £160.”
What really annoys me is that it took the council 86 days to respond to my appeal, which I submitted by email (as they instructed). Somehow, the one time all year I’m away and can’t access my postbox is when they decide to send a letter. If this had been sent by email, I could’ve dealt with it immediately.
I’ve tried calling, but every number just leads to automated bots — I can’t get through to a real person. I’ve emailed ParkingRep@ealing.gov.uk, but I’m not hopeful considering how long they take to respond. There was also an option on the portal to submit another challenge, which I did, but I don’t even know if anyone reads those. I only received an automated response saying:
“I can confirm that we have received your challenge, which will be attached to the case.”
As it stands, I believe I now have until next Friday to either:
Pay the £160, or
Appeal to the adjudicator
I do have flight tickets to prove I was out of the country if that helps at all.
Has anyone been in a similar situation, or does anyone have advice on what the best next step would be? I’m wary of missing deadlines but also feel this is really unfair.
Thanks in advance.