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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: James Mallom on November 29, 2023, 03:17:24 am

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: James Mallom on January 17, 2024, 11:15:18 pm

Yes for about 7 seconds due to traffic ahead

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: Hippocrates on January 07, 2024, 04:19:22 pm

Does the vehicle actually stop at all?

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: Chaseman on January 07, 2024, 04:01:16 pm

Here is a case at LT (previously PATAS) that upholds the importance of the adjudicator seeing the car drive into and out of the YBJ. Carl Teper is one of the most senior adjudicators so should be pretty persuasive.

https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=14952:70::INITIALISE::70:P70_CAS_REFNO,P70_PCN_REFNO,P70_RETURN_PAGE,P70_AST_CODE:1088951,1136344,60,APPEAL&cs=3LF7KZVdrMMzjB8QdKgAhxj_ldBrjLIcUIGQYEyxl3gUaAVnjkRY4-1qSurKSwpyRdKxozgK2F6n9pAvdH7340w

Case ref is 2130491073 in case you have any difficulty following the link. Dates from 2013.

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: cp8759 on January 07, 2024, 12:56:10 am

The most likely ground to succeed is that the video doesn't show you entering the box.

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: Hippocrates on January 05, 2024, 08:23:42 pm

Taken without consent ground clearly limits to theft.

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: James Mallom on January 05, 2024, 06:42:25 pm

https://ibb.co/QdB2Vfg

Link to pcn above

Both links now work-


https://ibb.co/CPRvX1V

https://ibb.co/Cv8bj5X

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: mrmustard on January 05, 2024, 04:21:56 pm

first link fails for me and still also want to see the pcn please

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: James Mallom on January 05, 2024, 04:16:56 pm

https://ibb.co/CPRvX1V

https://ibb.co/Cv8bj5X

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: mrmustard on January 05, 2024, 04:05:19 pm

Show us the documents please, you only need to cover up your name and address. We need to see all the pages. We cannot properly advise when so many of our challenges are technical grounds to wording if we can't see all of the wording.

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: James Mallom on January 05, 2024, 04:01:47 pm

"the alleged contravention did not occur". My appeal to the council has been rejected - I now have an option to appeal to the adjudicator-

Can you kindly advice what are my options please thank you

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: mrmustard on December 07, 2023, 06:37:25 am

We need to see all pages of the Pcn. Hide only the name and address.

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: James Mallom on December 07, 2023, 02:17:27 am

Thank you

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: Incandescent on December 04, 2023, 08:38:45 pm

The statutory grounds of appeal are obviously, "the alleged contravention did not occur".

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: James Mallom on December 04, 2023, 07:09:03 pm

Hi all,

Any thoughts on the what grounds I can appeal? Thank you for your time.

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: James Mallom on December 01, 2023, 08:03:42 am

On what grounds can I appeal on?

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: guest17 on November 30, 2023, 09:40:50 am

If there are a number of grounds I would also contend,just like the bus lane situation, that the zig-zags negate the presence of a yellow box.

Might as well get a ruling by an adjudicator.

Mike

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: James Mallom on November 30, 2023, 12:04:13 am

This is a different car from the Toyota Yaris and it shows me turning into the box it’s the black car in the box

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: James Mallom on November 30, 2023, 12:02:28 am

Hi cp8759 thank you for responding I have sent you the pcn number

Title: Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: cp8759 on November 29, 2023, 09:18:43 pm

The turn right exemption appears to be engaged, and in any event the video doesn't show you enter the box.

What's the PCN number please?

Title: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
Post by: James Mallom on November 29, 2023, 03:17:24 am

Hi all got a pcn when I was turning right from Aldborough Road south IG3 to Meads Lane IG3 when I got caught in traffic. Can I appeal this? Thank you

https://ibb.co/jLXG2R8
https://ibb.co/QdB2Vfg

https://maps.app.goo.gl/K7EWtm1nSgjMxQSN8?g_st=i

https://maps.app.goo.gl/xk5po1hNp4DbqxSU8?g_st=i

https://vimeo.com/889344081