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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Pauly436 on March 20, 2026, 07:41:53 am

Title: Re: Derbyshire CC Code 01. PCN Lay-by with Double yellow lines and broken white line
Post by: Incandescent on March 20, 2026, 08:13:36 pm

I have been this way more than a few times !!

Over the years, as more and more visitors visit this area,  the council has restricted more and more of the roadside around here, and this is no exception. If one looks the other way, one can see how the bay would have been. It may, indeed still be like that.  For me, the DYLs condemn you, because they apply to the whole 'road' which includes everything up to the property line, (the dry stone wall). I don't think the faded and worn dashed white line would win it, as the DYLs are very clear.

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Also the observed start and end time is identical.

There is nothing in the law or its associated regulations that mandates observation times. There are two exemptions to these DYLs, (1) loading/unloading and (2) boarding/alighting passengers. Unless you tell us more, I doubt either of these applies.

Locus is of less importance to PCNs served at the roadside to car or driver as it is assumed you know where you have parked your car. It could be an issue for a Notice to Owner if the driver was not the owner.

The road you parked on is the old Mam Tor Road. Mam Tor is called "Shivering Mountain" and the constant rock falls and the road falling into the valley below, led to its closure. I first came this way in the late 70s on a motorbike, (Yamaha XS750) with a German chap on a Honda CX500, and we climbed up Mam Tor.

The PCN does not have certain mandatory information, but I don't think you have posted all of it. Errors in the'small print' could make it void, so post it all up, please.

Title: Re: Derbyshire CC Code 01. PCN Lay-by with Double yellow lines and broken white line
Post by: stamfordman on March 20, 2026, 05:14:27 pm

What are the PCN number and VRM.

Yellow lines control verges and it doesn't look like a lay-by.

Title: Re: Derbyshire. Code 01. PCN Lay-by with Double yellow lines and broken white line
Post by: Pauly436 on March 20, 2026, 03:04:22 pm

GSV link added and subject amend as requested.

Any help with this one would be greatly received.

Title: Re: PCN Lay-by with Double yellow lines and broken white line
Post by: Incandescent on March 20, 2026, 10:00:05 am

Please read this and update your thread accordingly: -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

Please post a GSV link

Title: Derbyshire CC Code 01. PCN Lay-by with Double yellow lines and broken white line
Post by: Pauly436 on March 20, 2026, 07:41:53 am

Dear all.

An owner has received a PCN (Attached) for parking in a lay-by that was separated from the road by double yellow lines but also white broken lines.

https://ibb.co/d08kYTdQ

I have attached the location and an image of the location.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/CCNs4xFUvHqdEB5C8

https://ibb.co/3y4677H8
https://ibb.co/gx6cb4h

Would the road having both road markings invalidate this ticket?

Can you spot anything in the ticket that does not meet standards? I was surprised by how vague the ticket is.

Location-  Rushup edge to the junction it suggests is 2.5 miles.

Also the observed start and end time is identical.

Any advice appreciated.
Thanks