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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: mandie99 on March 19, 2026, 01:26:20 am
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Thank you for confirming that this is wrong!
Maybe I wasn’t clear, but I did admit to being the driver :-[ . About 4 weeks after I submitted the initial appeal, they asked me to confirm who is the driver by a certain date or else the ‘normal collection process will continue’ so I responded and admitted that I’m the driver. If you want to see this email I can show you.
Few weeks after that I got the rejection response from them which I pasted some of above.
Even though I have admitted to being the driver surely it doesn’t take away from the fact that this is a nonsense PCN?
I’ve got another 9 days to appeal to IAS
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You are 100% correct in everything you mention.
Having examined the area (and done a virtual drive through) on GSV one can immediately see that this is an example of a nonsense PCN.
The first thing I notice is that there is no entrance signage - at this location that is super-critical as Liston Way is maintained at public expense - meaning that it is easy to pass from public road to private road without even realising since, as you mention, there is no change in the road surface which would indicate that the designation of the road had changed.
The NtK does not appear to be PoFA compliant so, in theory, no keeper liability can occur.
Can we assume by your wording that the driver has never been revealed and that your appeal was made as the vehicle keeper?
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Hello, my initial appeal to UK CPM was rejected, and I am now at the stage where I can either pay the £100 fine or raise an appeal to IAS, which I am hearing has a very low success rate.
I will start by saying for my initial appeal, I did rely on chatgpt and while it did advise to not mention who was the driver, weeks after sending in that appeal CPM emailed and cornered me in saying I must tell them who the driver was, or the 'collection process will continue' so I fumbled unfortunately. Yes I have slapped my wrist already and I wish I found this website sooner! :-\
This is the road I live on, and a space I and many others have parked in many times, to be honest I was in genuine shock that I even received the PCN, so I thought appealing it with the screenshots below would suffice because no signage suggests that parking is not allowed there. Below is my initial appeal to UK CPM, I also included a photo link to the sign, the redacted letter, and some annotated photos of the close.
"I am the registered keeper of the vehicle referenced in the above Parking Charge Notice and I am writing to formally appeal this charge. The PCN was issued for the following reason "no parking outside of a marked bay". This allegation is factually incorrect and unenforceable for the following reasons: No marked bays exist on Bramley Close: There are no marked parking bays in the area where the vehicle was parked, nor anywhere along Bramley Close. As such, it is impossible to park "outside of a marked bay" when no bays exist.
This renders the alleged contravention invalid. Clear physical distinction between permitted and unrestricted areas: Within Bramley Close, areas where parking is restricted or permit-controlled are clearly identifiable by bricked or block-paved surfacing. In contrast, areas where parking is unrestricted have a standard road-style surface. The vehicle was parked on the road-surfaced section of Bramley Close, which visually and practically indicates an unrestricted parking area.
This distinction reinforces that the location where the vehicle was parked is not a permit-only or controlled zone. (see attached photo 1 and 2) Inadequate and unclear signage: There is no signage at or near the location where the vehicle was parked indicating that parking is restricted, permit-only, or subject to any conditions. Nor is there any signage explaining that parking is prohibited outside of marked bays.
Without clear and prominent signage at the point of parking, no contractual terms were communicated to the driver. No evidence of a contractual agreement: Due to the absence of marked bays, the lack of signage, and the clear physical differentiation between controlled and uncontrolled areas, no contract was capable of being formed between the driver and UK Car Park Management Ltd. Any alleged contract is therefore void.
Valid permit displayed: A valid parking permit was displayed in the windscreen at the time of parking. Your operative failed to take a clear photograph of the windscreen showing the permit, which is a failure of evidence on your part. I dispute that adequate checks were carried out prior to issuing the PCN. Established custom and practice: Vehicles have parked in this location for several years without enforcement. This long-standing and accepted practice further demonstrates that the area is not clearly defined as restricted and that the alleged parking terms are ambiguous and unenforceable.
In light of the above, I require that this Parking Charge Notice be cancelled immediately. Should you reject this appeal, I require: - A full copy of the contract authorising UK Car Park Management Ltd to operate at Bramley Close, IG8. - A site map clearly identifying any alleged marked bays or controlled areas - Evidence of signage in place at the precise location where the vehicle was parked - A POPLA verification code so that I may escalate this matter independently - Please note that I am fully prepared to pursue this matter through POPLA and, if necessary, through the courts. I look forward to your confirmation that this charge has been cancelled."
CPM'S RESPONSE:
The decision to uphold your parking charge notice has been made on the following basis.
Whilst we note your comments and reason for appeal, we can confirm that there is no parking outside of a marked bay. Therefore, as your vehicle was parked in contravention of the terms and conditions as advertised on the signage displayed on site, this PCN has been issued to you correctly.
Parking conditions signage (https://ibb.co/nqyN3qwy) - please note that this sign in particular is nowhere near where the car was parked.
PCN Letter (https://ibb.co/k2KV9P2V)
Photo 1 - where the car was parked, no signage (https://ibb.co/gL2bgyfC)
Photo 2 - Unrestricted parking area (https://ibb.co/TqTz1bYc)
Photo 3- Permit area with signage (https://ibb.co/XxJ4rhvZ)
Google map link (https://maps.app.goo.gl/mRiSN6pq9uR1sTjV9)
FYI - my several references to marked bays are because I imagine that to be white painted box/lines which there are none of. So my question is, do I stand a chance at appealing? Am I wrong here? I can't bare having to pay a fine but court sounds very daunting but im willing.
Let me know if you need to see anything else. Thank you in advance.