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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: SallyJF on March 17, 2026, 12:06:51 pm
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"Horrible Havering" don't re-offer the discount, so it's now a total no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals. The state of the road markings is a disgrace, and this needs heavy emphasis as well as what seem to be completely barmy parking bays installed without any consideration of the yellow lines that were previously there.
So make them do at least some work for their ill-gotten gains. Of course you may well win at LT so they get nothing, but will have had to pay the adjudication fee and also prepare an evidence pack too.
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First time posting so apologies if anything is unclear or badly presented, and thank you in advance for any help!
Deadline - We appealed the PCN, received a rejection by email, and received the Notice to Owner today, dated 13 March, so I believe we have until 10 April (28 days) to appeal further.
Initial appeal - Norfolk Road (RM7 9DL) has residents permit parking, and we have a valid permit. I parked here and received a PCN with code 01, "parked on a restricted street", and assumed there was some misunderstanding over the permit and appealed. They responded to say that the PCN was issued because I parked on single yellow lines during restricted hours.
Road markings - The road has marked bays all along it, and has one single marked bay that overlaps with single yellow lines, such that it is not possible to park in the marked bay without also parking on the yellow lines. The lines have all faded significantly with time (see below for historical google earth screencap for the original lines, photo for current appearance, and black and white photo of my parking). The restricted hours for residents only parking and for the yellow lines are the same, as far as I can tell (see signage photo). ***Editing to add google streetview link: https://maps.app.goo.gl/z7CQgoPe4RCSoVJD6
I know that you're not supposed to park overhanging yellow lines, but I feel the marked bay confuses the situation? (As I understand it, if you followed the rules properly then nobody could park in the bay during the restricted hours, but anybody can park anywhere along this stretch of road outside restricted hours, so what purpose would the marked bay serve?). Additionally, I know this is not an excuse or legal defence, but people park in this spot during the restricted hours literally all the time (I can see someone parked there right now, from my living room window), and I've parked here for years without getting a PCN before, despite the fact that wardens patrol our area very regularly. This makes me wonder if I only got the PCN because a new warden was patrolling and they couldn't see the faded bay lines?
If you lovely folk tell me "you were daft to park there, pay the fine and don't park there again" then I will do, fair enough. I'm just hoping the situation is fuzzy enough for further appeal? Or maybe the original PCN was unclear enough that I can request to pay the original discounted price?
Thank you very much for your time! Pictures below.
Historical google earth showing original markings:
(https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/BUiOK6Y_xl.jpg)
Photo showing faded markings:
(https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/6hKcllT_xl.jpg)
Parking signage:
(https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/aspPIhs_xl.png)
My parking/photo evidence:
(https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/l7gYTsl_xl.jpg)
Original PCN:
(https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/NlDnScA_xl.jpg)
Response to initial appeal:
(https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/dxozqIW_xl.png)
Notice to Owner:
(https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/XBVsYEO_xl.jpg)