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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: harbmeister43 on March 14, 2026, 04:29:38 pm
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THE LATE SUBMISSION IS DUE TO AN UNFORTUNATE CONFLICT OF DATES. PCN ISSUED 20/9/25. V5C UPDATED ONLINE 25/9/25. I BECAME AWARE OF PCN VIA NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT ON 14/3/26. IT SEEMS THE PCN WAS SENT TO MY PREVIOUS ADDRESS, AND NOT FORWARDED PER ARRANGEMENT WITH MY LANDLORD.
I ASSUME FURTHER NOTICES ALSO WENT TO THE PREVIOUS ADDRESS. I LEFT FLAT 1, 88 ELM PARK. BRIXTON ON 17/8/25. I STAYED WITH EX-UNI FRIENDS FOR ONE MONTH, CONTEMPLATING A PERMANENT MOVE. I MOVED BACK TO MY PARENTS (43 ASHLEY ROAD, SOUTH SHIELDS) ON 21/9/25 AND THEREFORE WAS ABLE TO RECEIVE MAIL AGAIN.
Just having a further think about this.
You should mention the relevant addresses to be clear and >>
Probably advisable to attach a copy of current V5C.
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I believed there was still a 21 day time limit to challenge the NoE regardless of payment.
There's no time limit to submit to TEC (and therefore TfL)?
Probably best you listen to us then; stop making up your own rules.
I'm not up to date on TEC current processing performance but I doubt it has improved much.
Hence there is no chance of you meeting your imagined deadline.
The first three posts here were to prevent you being subject to any deadline or rush.
Your daughter must attend to swear the forms to get them witnessed; it is not something you can do on her behalf. Anyway it takes about two minutes.
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I believed there was still a 21 day time limit to challenge the NoE regardless of payment.
There's no time limit to submit to TEC (and therefore TfL)?
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The Notice of Enforcement date being 09/03 (but received in post 14/03) ... does this now only give until 30/03 to have the forms completed + SD witnessed/signed at CC?
Thanks again.
There is no longer any deadline as you've paid.
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I found this...
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/ruc/understanding-enforcement-process
So agreed it's PE2/PE3.
The Notice of Enforcement date being 09/03 (but received in post 14/03) ... does this now only give until 30/03 to have the forms completed + SD witnessed/signed at CC?
Thanks again.
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What legislation are TfL Blackwall Tunnel and Silvertown Tunnel PCNs served under ? Surely that decides which forms to use ?
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You need to make a statutory declaration not a witness statement for TFL tunnel PCNs.
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Thanks.
Would they ask / for any follow-up?
No.
and neither will they when you get around to using the correct forms.
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Thanks.
I think in places I have looked and cases from ftla (2023/2024) it's TE7 and TE9.
My (daughters) TE7 submission now reads...
THE LATE SUBMISSION IS DUE TO AN UNFORTUNATE CONFLICT OF DATES. PCN ISSUED 20/9/25. V5C UPDATED ONLINE 25/9/25. I BECAME AWARE OF PCN VIA NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT ON 14/3/26. IT SEEMS THE PCN WAS SENT TO MY PREVIOUS ADDRESS, AND NOT FORWARDED PER ARRANGEMENT WITH MY LANDLORD.
I ASSUME FURTHER NOTICES ALSO WENT TO THE PREVIOUS ADDRESS. I LEFT FLAT 1, 88 ELM PARK. BRIXTON ON 17/8/25. I STAYED WITH EX-UNI FRIENDS FOR ONE MONTH, CONTEMPLATING A PERMANENT MOVE. I MOVED BACK TO MY PARENTS (43 ASHLEY ROAD, SOUTH SHIELDS) ON 21/9/25 AND THEREFORE WAS ABLE TO RECEIVE MAIL AGAIN.
It's not pertinent to say when she moved out or any other dates or facts? Would they ask / for any follow-up?
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I still think you are wrong and BAO has got it wrong before.
Doesn't matter; TEC will just bounce them back to you if I'm right.
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Hello Neil B,
Modified = I believe you are completely correct - PE2 and PE3.
I've been looking at the wrong thing.
H
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Please can you indicate the correct forms that need to be completed?
Noting that you DID ask
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Hi,
Please does any learned member have a view on my TE7 explanation and is it suitable?
Wrong forms??? Where did you get the idea you need TE forms?
Last time I looked, you need PE3 and PE2 --- but I'm rusty.
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Thanks @tincombe. Was your message curtailed?
The explanation of the interim address period was in response to your comment about updating the address only when she was in a position to receive mail.
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I would leave out everything after 'landlord', and change agreement to arrangement.
Why tell the court, and TEC who are officers of the court, that the V5C was not updated for over 1 month when despite the moves there was a convenient address which could have been used pro tem i.e. your parents'.
This isn't a matter of 'law' as such, but as I understand it, here it is anyway:
(3) Paragraph (4) [accepting a Stat Dec] applies where it appears to a district judge[TEC], on the application of a person on whom a charge certificate has been served, that it would be unreasonable in the circumstances of his case to insist on him serving his statutory declaration within the period of 21 days allowed for by paragraph (1).[AKA Out of time]
(4) Where this paragraph applies, the district judge may allow such longer period for service of the statutory declaration as he considers appropriate.
What's 'unreasonable in the circumstances'? That the RK didn't take action to amend their DVLA record within a month!
I would wait for other views. This is one of the benefits of paying: there's no specific time imperative.
putting a set of facts to the court such that
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Hi,
Please does any learned member have a view on my TE7 explanation and is it suitable?
I know some forum members are law orientated but just need to know if it's good enough to send or missing detail.
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No, you just tick the one box, for "did not receive the PCN".
Thank you. Makes sense.
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No, you just tick the one box, for "did not receive the PCN".
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Post an draft of your application here first if you want.
There is a character limit in the online form version. Here is my draft:
THE LATE SUBMISSION IS DUE TO AN UNFORTUNATE CONFLICT OF DATES. PCN ISSUED 20/9/25. V5C UPDATED ONLINE 25/9/25. I BECAME AWARE OF PCN VIA NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT ON 14/3/26. IT SEEMS THE PCN WAS SENT TO MY PREVIOUS ADDRESS - AND NOT FORWARDED PER AGREEMENT WITH MY LANDLORD. I ASSUME FURTHER NOTICES ALSO WENT TO THE PREVIOUS ADDRESS. I LEFT FLAT 1, 88 ELM PARK. BRIXTON ON 17/8/25. I STAYED WITH EX-UNI FRIENDS FOR ONE MONTH, CONTEMPLATING A PERMANENT MOVE. I MOVED BACK TO MY PARENTS (43 ASHLEY ROAD, SOUTH SHIELDS) ON 21/9/25 AND THEREFORE WAS ABLE TO RECEIVE MAIL AGAIN.
I can pad this out if needs be but will have to print form and write out (I assume) or somehow continue on a separate electronic sheet for submission.
Also ... Q on TE9 ... as it was paid I tick the box and fill in date an that it was paid to CDER yes?
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If you want professional help for a modest fee to file the declaration we recommend:
https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/
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It is fair to say that during the turmoil of my daughter being ill, that she was undecided as to where to locate ... but her tenancy had come to an end and so she was moving 'somewhere' else.
She had also completed employment training ... and had no specific job to go to.
As it turned out she went to Notts (however for "safety" updated her official address as ours here at home).
Please can you indicate the correct forms that need to be completed?
Can I also do a sanity check that based on the information provided that challenging this can be successful (barring the original fine which would be due of course)?
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I don't know whether knowing more about the move would add weight to a simple submission of the facts e.g. there's no point updating a V5C until one's in position to receive mail at the new address etc.
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Thanks.
Theapplication to change address was submitted online 25/09. Standard email response was received to say updated documents would take 7 to 10 days.
Also at the same time application to change licence address was submitted.
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25 Sept. 2025 is Date last V5C issued.
I suppose it could also be the date the change was submitted to DVLA ('Date CoA submitted') if this was done online.
Any lead-in time regarding submission could only strengthen your case, so pl advise how the application was submitted.
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Thanks all for the guidance so far. The fine is paid.
I now want to embark on making the application to get it refunded.
Can I ask if there is a template to begin this ... or an exemplar I should use?
I have experience on the PCN side of things (and how I came to be pointed here).
Also confirming all-important dates.
Moved out 17/8/25
Date of contravention 15/09/25
Date CoA submitted 25/09/25
Someone asked if she moved elsewhere temporarily - she moved from her London address to Notts - that residence wasn't an official let it was with friends.
Can I also ask if it is also pertinent that she was quite ill during this period? She was suffering with a serious eating disorder [for which she spent time in Hospital]. This would account for the delay in making the address change + her not setting up any mail forwarding + probably her forgetting to pay the toll in the first place ...
.. or ... it doesn't make any difference and I stick to the facts?
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It might help you to note that the original PCN was only sent 20th September at the earliest; being listed as 'batched' on that day, in the case history.
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As others I also recommend you pay to avoid the additional £235 cherge.
And make your application to TEC asap, explaining that the V5 was updated promptly.
I don't see any need to mention illness in this case but if you choose to, keep it short so as notn to distract from the main facts.
Post an draft of your application here first if you want.
but I don't see why the warrant wouldn't have come the same address (being used now).
There is no physical warrant. All subsequent notices after the PCN will have been sent to the address on the V5 when TfL first applied for it from DVLA.
They don't and cant make repeated checks.
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I must admit if there's a sure way not to pay until any appeal is dismissed I'd prefer that
IMO, there isn't.
The person named in the NoE needs to submit an Out of Time application to the Traffic Enforcement Centre which, when registered, halts the enforcement process. Their problem is that registration could take weeks and is something over which the person has NO control.
IMO, as already posted paying now is the least worst option. After this we can look at constructing as compelling an OOT as possible. We'll need to know when she vacated the V5C address and whether this move was direct or whether perhaps there was a hiatus and they stayed elsewhere before moving into their new V5C address. But pl don't let this distract her from paying.
If TEC accept the submission then ALL monies are to be returned and her maximum liability reset at the discounted penalty(because her grounds for the OOT would be that she did not receive the PCN).
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Thanks for the lightening response, Stamfordman, it's much appreciated.
I must admit if there's a sure way not to pay until any appeal is dismissed I'd prefer that - but if there's any doubt then would go for the safer option.
Presumably the NoE seeks the address of the Licence Holder (or re-extracts the address for the V5) - but I don't see why the warrant wouldn't have come the same address (being used now).
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Our usual advice is to pay it before you get a bailiff visit as that adds £235.
This doesn't affect your right to file an out of time declaration which should succeed if worded correctly as there is such a short time between the contravention and logbook change.
Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 25 September 2025
Or filing the out of time should also pause bailiff enforcement I think.
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Hello All,
Today 14/3 we received a Notice of Enforcement dated 9/3/26, addressed to my daughter (who happens to be staying here/up north for the weekend).
The contravention was Blackwall Tunnel on 15/9/25.
Until the end of August my daughter resided in Brixton. She then moved to Notts. She changed the address on her V5 on 25/9/25 to my house/parents & on her Driving Licence at the same time. She changed She did not set up any mail forwarding.
This is the very first she has learned of the contravention. Long story but she was ill last year / had no focus / has letters of admission to Hospital and appointments with specialists and clinics - and can't recollect the occasion but it is not disputed that it occurred.
There is little time to decide what to do - but we'd like advice on the best immediate option.
Thanks in advance. PCN (with redactions) uploaded.
Harbmeister43.
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