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Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
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This is as close to a guaranteed win at tribunal as you can get so I'd definitely pursue it.  In fact I suspect the council will fold before it gets there.
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Maybe I'm being thick but....
Why does not provision C of the yellow box rules of 9.7.6 not apply to make this a legal box?

ie
along a length of a two-way road (other than at a junction), the carriageway of which is not greater than 4.5 metres wide at its narrowest point;
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Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
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Because that carriageway is far in excess of 4.5 metres wide.
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Clearly, the experts say it's Tribunal time.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
« Reply #19 on: »
Thanks all, I just saw the recent replies now as was waiting on Pastmybest to return from holiday. I will further appeal and take it to Tribunal since the fine will be the full rate now. I have no experience in this, any suggestions on my appeal..do I just state the same reasons as before in my appeal? Also any tips on the tribunal process?
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Wait for Pastmybest to come back. What is the date of the NOR? There is also a served/delivered argument which can be used.  If PMB is not free, I am happy to do this one.  Just be patient as you have time.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
« Reply #21 on: »
Thanks, I have 28 days from the rejection letter date (15th Dec) to appeal so have until next Friday 12th Jan to do it. What is the served/delivered argument?
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« Reply #22 on: »
Register your appeal with the tribunal.

In the section for evidence write. EI rely upon my representation to the council and further evidence i will submit at a later date". Nothing more Ask for a telephone hearing, you will then be given a date for a hearing I will represent you and will PM you my details and tell you what you need do when you have the date
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bump for me
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I have got to say , I am not happy that you ignored me and sent your reasons for appeal rather than just saying evidence to follow as i requested That said i agreed to represent you and will do so though i think the job is now harder.


Check every day now for the council evidence pack If it is not on the portal by tomorrow it is to late that will add another ground

You have sent the two grounds to tribunal I will send you an email with one other ground to use I will do this on Friday night or Saturday morning send it straight away
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Apologies, the tribunal site has a form to fill in the reasons for appeal and a section for uploading evidence so I thought I needed to state my reason and that you were referring to the evidence section alone.

Nonetheless, I received this letter today so the council are not contesting my appeal! Thanks everyone for your advice esp Pastmybest, just shows it's always worth fighting your case if you believe in it  :)


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Well done.  (Served/delivered are not always the same, particularly if weekends are involved or bank holidays.)
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Yellow Box Junction - Ilford - Ley Street
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Quote from: syd16 on February 03, 2024, 04:37:35 pm
Apologies, the tribunal site has a form to fill in the reasons for appeal and a section for uploading evidence so I thought I needed to state my reason and that you were referring to the evidence section alone.
That is why we always urge appellants not to file an appeal themselves, we have the advantage of having been through the process a million times before and knowing the best approach.

Still, it all worked out on this occasion so no harm done.
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