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Hi Guys

I got this lovely gift from Barnet council 

I have inserted the video link below so hopefully its ok

My car is the convertible and the pictures/video clearly show that my rear wheels are stuck in the top end of the YBJ. Not sure why I didn't just nudge forward more!

I guess i'm not arguing whether I stopped in the YBJ because the video clearly shows I did for more than 15 secs.

The only argument I think I could use relates to the layout/position of the YBJ.

Where the rear of my vehicle is stopped is in no way blocking any access to the adjoining road it is meant to keep clear so not sure why the YBJ extends beyond the border of traffic island?

Anyway I would appreciate your feedback and whether its worth a letter to appeal or just to suck it up

Cheers Guys!







https://barnetocm.itsvc.co.uk/PCN/GetPartialVideo?v=C249191DF9EC54EF1BE3CFD178654762AB2DE4ABDC6EC06A88FB267A83E8E43D34D9F68D43F8ACE9E396A7A8D874CC1D227982D90D76AA1EAB52905F7BC35F57D34149EFAC34F3FA660C88D18D15F4EC2B86DB73AEB2DB38598E3416FCCEB43A11B0E0174418F4CE7607FCC184BB71A9282EB53E2B20FE720EC7909B695B090A96254127E0C2B76B7256DBB26D3C3AE91E6A26371DB2B358D39A1757967F3192EE9548058219A79AEB99BB2137666D64

Hi so sorry it seemed to work when I previewed it

The PCN No is AG44074557
REG : CF71 VUH

thank you

Thanks

Yeh I agree but I saw from the previous forum that someone had tried to use that argument previously a few years back and it was rejected so not shre if it’s worth trying again ?

Thank you

I understand that the rules of the YBJ state that the exit out of the box should be clear before entering it and it looks like the exit is clear but for whatever reason the vehicle in front appears to stop (video doesn’t show why).

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=126751

I think this argument was tried as mentioned and was rejected.

I might try the same argument again but if so is it likely to fail again ?

Thank you

Thank you

I will write an appeal letter/email and post on here before sending

Thanks again

To repeat what others have said.
While we may all assume that you stopped because of traffic, the video does not show that.
For all anyone knows, you stopped due to uncontrollable sneezing or the band of the Scots Guards crossing the road or a troupe of performing Just Stop Oil.
To be very clear, you can stop and have a picnic without breaking the rules on YBJs.
Without evidence of stopping due to stationary traffic the contravention cannot be upheld.

Dear sirs
Ref PCN ?
I have reviewed your video evidence and fail to see that it shows the reason for what can only be described as minimal intrusion into the yellow box.
The law is clear in that a driver may not enter and stop in a yellow box due to the presence of stationary vehicles.
Your video fails to show stationary vehicles causing the stop.
Without this critical condition, enforcement of this PCN is flawed and cannot be sustained.
Many thanks in anticipation of your cancellation.
Hugs and Kisses.

Tis all that is needed

Thanks DancingDad  that’s made my day !

Wonder if I could literally be that blunt and send that exact response ? Or would that annoy them

LoL
Stick with the draft starting Dear Sirs..... that is carefully worded.
Hugs and Kisses are optional

It is quite possible that they will come back with a rejection based on stopping but they would be ignoring the three legs of the contravention.
You must cause the vehicle to enter.... so the lorry behind shunting you into the box doesn't count.
You must stop
It must be due to stationary vehicles

To quote various adjudicators, moving buses, pedestrians, tuning the radio and exploding meteorites don't count. (honest, all have been used as examples by adjudicators)

You have drifted from the law into the highway code, guidance and airy fairy.

Why not stick with the draft I wrote for you?