Author Topic: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway  (Read 1017 times)

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Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
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Sorry to cut to the chase, but will you pl get away from exemptions to 'footway parking', they're irrelevant in this case. That offence is statutory and doesn't require any signs, a driver is presumed to know as a condition of holding a licence.

The allegation here is that you committed an offence under s137 HA.

137 Penalty for wilful obstruction.
(1)If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to [F1imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or] a fine [F2or both].

Local authorities are able to deal with this under Deregulation Powers i.e. FPN, but the offence remains the same. So IMO the question is: who is liable?

And IMO it's only the 'person[who] without lawful authority....obstructs free passage..'.

IMO, don't argue the toss about what is a subjective matter, why are YOU being deemed liable? The events happened 5 months ago.

Assuming that this is absolutely the first you've heard of this matter, I'd go back to the named person and:

Refer to their letter;
Say you've looked up the relevant section and ask why the council think you caused or permitted the car to be parked in this way. The events took place over 5 months ago and this is the first you've heard of the matter. You cannot be expected to know who was driving at that time on that day (does your wife drive the car) any more than the council does. In addition, even the events as set out seem conflicting because the location looks like if it's situated in *** Road whereas .......

You'd like clarification.

And stop* parking there unless you want to risk a PCN for footway parking.


*- you or anyone else driving your vehicle because footway parking is keeper liability, not 'person' (driver) as in HA.

Are you the registered keeper of the vehicle.

Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
« Reply #16 on: »
Sorry to cut to the chase, but will you pl get away from exemptions to 'footway parking', they're irrelevant in this case. That offence is statutory and doesn't require any signs, a driver is presumed to know as a condition of holding a licence.

The allegation here is that you committed an offence under s137 HA.

137 Penalty for wilful obstruction.
(1)If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to [F1imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or] a fine [F2or both].

Local authorities are able to deal with this under Deregulation Powers i.e. FPN, but the offence remains the same. So IMO the question is: who is liable?

And IMO it's only the 'person[who] without lawful authority....obstructs free passage..'.

IMO, don't argue the toss about what is a subjective matter, why are YOU being deemed liable? The events happened 5 months ago.

Assuming that this is absolutely the first you've heard of this matter, I'd go back to the named person and:

Refer to their letter;
Say you've looked up the relevant section and ask why the council think you caused or permitted the car to be parked in this way. The events took place over 5 months ago and this is the first you've heard of the matter. You cannot be expected to know who was driving at that time on that day (does your wife drive the car) any more than the council does. In addition, even the events as set out seem conflicting because the location looks like if it's situated in *** Road whereas .......

You'd like clarification.

And stop* parking there unless you want to risk a PCN for footway parking.


*- you or anyone else driving your vehicle because footway parking is keeper liability, not 'person' (driver) as in HA.

Are you the registered keeper of the vehicle.

hi yes i am the registered driver and my wife drives it too.

Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
« Reply #17 on: »
Hi

Below is the link

https://maps.app.goo.gl/r3ogYVYkX5efyeia6

I dnt get it. Every day all day people are stopping there. In past week or so they've harder yellow blips on curb but that will only mean no parking on curb/road no?

Apologies if you have already answered this, but where exactly were you parked?

Was it outside Hot wings, or Billet Fish bar, or B's Barber, or where? 

Which side of the road were you on?

Were you parked on the pavement?

The photo from the council seems to show zig-zag lines for a pedestrian crossing which suggest you were parked on the pavement right at the junction with Guildsway.

Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
« Reply #18 on: »
I was between hot wings and nimika best food and wines

Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
« Reply #19 on: »
From the council photo between where the old single yellow and white zigzag line was (if this helps)


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Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
« Reply #20 on: »
You can't have DYL and zig-zags co-existing in the same length of street. They've lost the plot, but it doesn't bear upon your issue other than perhaps to suggest why the eejits think they can pursue the registered keeper of a car for a driver's offence 5 months after the event.

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Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
« Reply #21 on: »
Thanks

I think I'm just sticking with line about it being over 6 months and also wrong road name provided.

Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
« Reply #22 on: »
5 months, not 6

Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
« Reply #23 on: »
I was between hot wings and nimika best food and wines

So looking at the council photo you were parked just slightly in front of where the person in the checked shirt is, level with the zig-zag line, and you were just straddling the brick-paved part of the pavement and the cycle lane?

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5996345,-0.0295789,3a,75y,13.49h,76.23t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smocGhPi5unZdiV91La-CCA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D13.768419591459946%26panoid%3DmocGhPi5unZdiV91La-CCA%26yaw%3D13.48592672573566!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

And it wasn't Guildsway...
« Last Edit: March 14, 2025, 01:30:05 pm by ManxTom »

Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
« Reply #24 on: »
Thanks

I think I'm just sticking with line about it being over 6 months and also wrong road name provided.

I think a previous poster was mistaken saying it was over 6 months.  It isn't - it's over 5 months.  But yes, it would seem to be the wrong road.

[Edit: cross-posted with Mr chips]

Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
« Reply #25 on: »
That is correct.  My car was more in front of the parcel pickup/drop-off lockers.

As for it being 5 months and not 6, isn't this this way beyond the 14 days they are meant to issue it?, how do they expect anyone to know who drove car 5 months ago?,

Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
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https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/neighbourhoods/3gs

FPNs seem worse than pcns. If they don't accept your appeal next step is magistrates court and risk of "criminal conviction".

Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
« Reply #27 on: »
https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/neighbourhoods/3gs

FPNs seem worse than pcns. If they don't accept your appeal next step is magistrates court and risk of "criminal conviction".

yh they are total scumbags, atm my best defence would be wrong road name and maybe fact its been over 5 months and thus how can i recall who it was driving at the time.

Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
« Reply #28 on: »
Apologies I miscounted the months.

Go with Mr Anderson's approach and lose the attitude - pavement parking is not on and you must stop doing it.

Re: Waltham forest. Section 137 Wilful obstruction of highway
« Reply #29 on: »
Apologies I miscounted the months.

Go with Mr Anderson's approach and lose the attitude - pavement parking is not on and you must stop doing it.


cool, il draft up an email and share it before sending. so just to confirm i should just stick to fact they got the road name wrong and its been 5 months thus i cant recall who was driving?