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Westminster - Rupert Street [G1] - 02 - Parked or loading / unloading in a restricted street
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Ticket Reference : WE6400696A
Vehicle Registration Number : VT19NGE
Contravention : 02 - Parked or loading / unloading in a restricted street where waiting and loading / unloading restrictions are in force
Location : Rupert Street [G1]
First seen at : Sat, 1 Nov 2025 19:17
Issued at : Sat, 1 Nov 2025 19:17

The details of PCN can be searched via https://pcnpayment.westminster.gov.uk/pcnonline/index.php

I received a PCN with info above. I thought it is unrestricted after 6:30pm as I cannot find the signage near the bay. From the image taken, it does not show I am parking in a loading bay as there is no kerb/bay marking. And no image is showing the signage with the parked car. Can I use this as a reason to cancel this ticket?

Any advice is appreciated.






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Re: Westminster - Rupert Street [G1] - 02 - Parked or loading / unloading in a restricted street
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Images aren't viewable, I'm afraid.

I can't understand the traffic sign which conflicts with itself and the road markings.

The contravention can only occur when:

A vehicle is parked contrary to waiting restrictions and at the same time parked contrary to loading restrictions.

A loading bay is permissive, no loading markings are restrictive. Chalk and cheese.

The photos show your car parked wholly within a parking place. GSV(3 years old) shows this marked Loading Only. The extent of this permission is shown on the lower traffic sign with the loading symbol. As this doesn't give hours then it allows loading 24/7.

The traffic signs above are therefore conflicting as they purport to prohibit waiting and loading on this length of street between midday and 7pm. However, in order to have any effect there must be yellow a line(s) and loading blips. But I cannot see these in the photos, are there any?? Also, are there road markings stating Loading Only.
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As Imgur is no longer available in the UK, you will need to use
ibb.co or https://imgpile.com/

for posting images.

Wherever possible, use the BBCode
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Sorry if it is dumb - I can't find the edit button for the original post. I will post the images here:


Thanks for the info provided. IIRC, there is "Loading Only" marking in the middle of the bay (a single bay long enough for 3-4 cars). That is why "Loading Only" is not shown in the photo.

GSV is still valid (even it is 3 years old). It matches with my memory.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3ryTxQiW2xy7gRoSA

I would agree I did not recognized the signage as it is wholly blocked by the crowd at that time.

Shall I go ahead to pay? Or I still have some grounds to appeal? Thanks again.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2025, 01:46:06 pm by yimkc »
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Bump it up for advice. Thanks.
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As said there needs to be a yellow line and blips to go with a waiting/loading restriction but I don't think they are there.

We've seen sign/no lines in another Westminster location - Queensway - but adjudicators don't seem to care.

The sign is on the wall:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/49J9tqSn1sTPFiiB6

I think you can challenge on putting them to proof of yellow line but they will reject.
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They cannot win.

Their sign is in 3 parts:

The lowest part means this is a parking place reserved for vehicles 'Loading' 24/7;

The highest part means that waiting, which includes parking, is prohibited midday-7am which conflicts with the lowest part;

The middle part means no loading midday-7am which is within the period when the lowest part permits exactly this.

With or without lines, the sign is b******s.

But there aren't lines, which means the whole arrangement is confusing and unenforceable, b******s squared!
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This case was won fairly recently but on failure to provide an order establishing the waiting restriction.

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Case reference   2240013723
Appellant   Kamal Esty
Authority   City of Westminster
VRM   EK65ZXA
PCN Details
PCN   WE30894918
Contravention date   03 Jul 2023
Contravention time   00:03:00
Contravention location   Rupert Street
Penalty amount   GBP 130.00
Contravention   Parked or loading/unloading during a loading ban
Referral date   -
Decision Date   08 Feb 2024
Adjudicator   Teresa Brennan
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.

Reasons   
Mr Esty attended today. He appeals as he states that he did not see a sign indicating any restriction. The appellant also states that a civil enforcement officer told him that he could park his car at the location.

The civil enforcement officer’s photographs show the appellant’s car parked in a bay that is marked with the words loading. There was a sign nearby that indicated that the bay was for loading only 7am to midday and that between midday and 7am there was no waiting and no loading.

The council has provided a copy of Traffic Management Order 86 of 2020. The Order creates a loading bay in Rupert Street that is operational between 7am and midday. I have not seen any Order creating a waiting and loading restriction.

I allow this appeal as I am not satisfied on the evidence I have seen that there was an authorised waiting and loading restriction at the time that the Penalty Charge Notice was issued.
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I have submitted my appeal and received their reply yesterday. It comes in via email in PDF. I converted it to images for masking my personal info only.




Any idea if I should go ahead with formal representation or shut my mouth and pay? Thanks very much for any advice/suggestion.
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Sorry for bumping it up for advice. Is it a high chance to put it forward or simply pay for it? They are still offering 14 days discount.
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OP, their photos conflict.

I've now looked at GSV and can see that the lower part of the actual sign says: Loading only 7am - midday. In the CEO's first photo which is reproduced in their rejection the '7am-midday' is omitted, hence my earlier comment. However, their response also includes a photo showing the sign in full. They really don't know what they're doing, but what's new?

But in any event, there isn't a single yellow line with loading blips within and either * at the rear or at the front of the parking place to give effect to the no waiting/no loading restriction. The sign is insufficient and the absence of the markings is fatal to their case IMO.

I would carry on, but this is a decision for the registered keeper. Is this you and are your DVLA details current?


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The car is registered under my wife's name. Please PM me what should I/my wife do for the next step. Appreciated for any advice.
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GSV is 2 months old and in daylight.

It shows that the council cannot enforce ANY waiting restriction in the loading bays(the other one is the same) because it is MANDATORY to place a single yellow line and it's not there.

If GSV is accurate, you cannot lose.

Simply wait for the NTO and then we'll help you make targeted reps which focus on the only issue at large: is there a single yellow line?

I prefer to keep active threads on the forum because posts can then be peer reviewed.
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I'll take your advice and wait for the post. I'll update here immediately once received. Thanks.
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It's been almost a month since the contravention but I haven't received the NtO from post. I have emailed them asking for status. No reply yet. Shall I keep on waiting or what is the next step?
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