Author Topic: Merton Council: 31J - Entering and stoping in a box junction when prohibited  (Read 1020 times)

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Would really appreciate thoughts on the likelihood of appeal success/ appeal approach here.

Essentially there was space for me to clear the box junction when i manoeuvred into the lane however, the space was taken by the vehicle ahead also changing lanes with little notice and despite breaking, it was not possible to slow my car down in time to avoid also entering the junction.

You’ll see from the video, I enter the junction less than 2 seconds behind them and I start to reserve in about 2 seconds also.

I have 3 days left to make a representation within the initial 14 day window. Video available here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jQD2jOlA7Z9AxA1Eus7Dwgnd_XvQ-asK/view?usp=sharing

Thanks all!

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This is an interesting one.  You did enter the box junction without a clear exit (well clear one in front of you anyway!), but started to reverse pretty much immediately back out again.  The laws of physics dictate that it's impossible to change from moving forwards to moving backwards without at least a momentary time in between when you are technically stationary, but it's barely perceptible in the footage that you stop at all, and would certainly be 'de minimis' other than for the strictest of adjudicators.

Maybe it's the quality of the footage, but I can't make out any sort of stop line for the traffic lights ahead which cause the stop. The way the box junction is situated is a bit of a trap as traffic will suddenly stop without much warning when the road ahead looks completely clear, so anyone unwary or unfamiliar with the set up is likely to get caught.

While we consider this one, can you post up a copy of your PCN (all sides) just redacting your name and address please?  It will enable greater consideration of appeal arguments rather then on the footage alone.


Thanks MrChips.

Of course. Please see photos of the PCN attached.

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Back of PCN attached here.

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Just bumping this up to see if there were any further thoughts from @MrChips or others now that the PCN is attached.

Thanks!

Not sure why there hasn't been much engagement in this one so far, yellow box junctions normally stimulate a lot of interest!

You need to get representations in by tomorrow to preserve the discount option.  Pending any further input, I'd suggest something like:

Dear Merton

Re PCN MT87828961

I recently received the above PCN.  Having reviewed your video footage I would like to submit representations against the PCN on the grounds that the contravention did not occur.

The allegation on the PCN is "entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited".  As can be seen in the video footage having entered the box junction, I did not stop but continued in motion by immediately reversing.  I would have been able to completely clear the box junction in this way if necessary but as I was about to leave the car in front of me moved forward so I continued forward again until I had cleared the box junction.

The legislation around box junctions requires the vehicle to come to a period of complete rest for a contravention to be committed.  This did not occur in this circumstance and so the PCN should be cancelled.


A ridiculous PCN.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Thanks so much @MrChips and @Hippocrates!

Just to add that if they're stupid enough to reject, you should have multiple grounds to appeal because as well as the issue identified above, the notice of rejection wording used by Merton is known to be flawed, cases in point are Giles Kennedy v London Borough of Merton (2220586920, 8 October 2022) and Commercial Plant Services Ltd v London Borough of Merton (2240027331, 13 March 2024).
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Thanks @cp8759! Fingers crossed for a positive outcome following my representation, but happy to have a plan B.

How do I put it diplomatically? Merton's parking staff have serious issues in terms of understanding the various laws.  :-\  :'(  ::)  :o  That is, if they have ever read them.  ;D
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Just a quick update that my PCN was cancelled!

Thanks again @MrChips @Hippocrates and @cp8759 for taking the time to respond.
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Excellent - can you post a copy of the letter for our records?

Of course. See attached.


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