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PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« on: November 23, 2024, 11:40:49 am »
I yesterday became aware that I recieved a penalty charge from Lewisham Council for an infraction on 25 June. The infraction occured shortly after I moved home and so the original PCN was sent to my old address. I submitted a change of address via the DVLA on 14 July. Speaking to the council on the phone, I have been told that they sent a second follow up letter (also to my old address) in late July after the change of address was submitted to the DVLA. The PCN has now been passed over to a debt collection agency, despite the fact I recieved no PCN letters to
the address I was reisding in at the time.

I've been told that I can apply for an Out Of Time exemption on the basis that I did not receive the Penalty Charge Notice, but wanted to get an idea of how realistic my prospects are based on the information above?
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2024, 11:50:26 am »
How did you become aware of the PCN? A bailiff visit perhaps, or a letter? Did the bailiff leave you a notice or letter of any description? If so please post it up.

Instructions are in the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** sticky post at the top of the forum. Just redact your name and address and leave everything else visible.
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2024, 12:01:31 pm »
I became aware of the PCN via a letter from Newlyn, Lewisham's debt collection agency. They sent a letter to the new address, although I believe this was originally after sending the initial enforcement letter to my old address.

I've attached a photo of the enforcement letter with the address and number plate blocked out.
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2024, 12:19:12 pm »
Where is the rest of the NoE?
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2024, 12:21:34 pm »
Second page attached
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2024, 10:16:18 am »
Just to clarify what are my chances of getting this reverted back to the original file. I beleive they may have sent follow up letters to my old address after I alerted the DVLA of my change of address. If I can get evidence of this, would it help my case?
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2024, 10:28:35 am »
We're missing the key dates.....!

The infraction occured shortly after I moved home and so the original PCN was sent to my old address. I submitted a change of address via the DVLA on 14 July.

And you moved out of your address on ??

Contravention on 25 June;
PCN Issued ******?
You moved on ******?
You changed your V5C(NOT driving licence but V5C address) with DVLA 14 July.

Just fill in the blanks pl.

NOTHING will happen as regards Newlyn until the payment date (8am 9 Dec) has passed.
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2024, 11:36:43 am »
In terms of a timeline of dates. I moved out of the property on 19 June.

The contravention then occured on 25 June.
I updated my V5C on 14 July.
According to the council the original PCN was sent to my old address on 5 July.
This was then followed up by a charge certificate issued also issued to my old address on 13 August.
Finally, a third notice (order of recovery) was also sent to my old address on September 13.

For clarity's sake, I learned of the above information (i.e. when the correspondence was sent to me by the council's traffic enforcement team) via a phonecall with the council yesterday.
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2024, 12:26:23 pm »
Quote from: Enceladus on November 23, 2024, 11:50:26 am
How did you become aware of the PCN? A bailiff visit perhaps, or a letter? Did the bailiff leave you a notice or letter of any description? If so please post it up.

Instructions are in the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** sticky post at the top of the forum. Just redact your name and address and leave everything else visible.
Thanks for posting up the bailiff's Notice of Enforcement. However you've blanked out the vehicle reg from the NoE. The instructions linked to above asked you not to do this.

What's the vehicle reg?
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2024, 01:35:01 pm »
Licence plate is OE09NHU
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2024, 06:27:21 pm »
Is anyone able to help?
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2024, 10:19:21 pm »
Patience. You are not in immediate danger.

It is likely that we will advise you to pay the enforcement notice to prevent incurring further charges.

This will not preclude you from talking action to get the matter reset and you seem to have good reason to be hopeful of that.
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2024, 11:28:49 am »
Penalty Charge Notice details
Ticket ReferenceZY09500711
Your PCN is with the Enforcement Agent. PCN process information
Vehicle Registration NumberOE09NHU
ColourBLACK
MakeNISSAN
Contravention53j - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone (camera enforcement)
LocationLeahurst Road junction with Dermody Road
First seen atTue, 25 Jun 2024 9:07
Issued atTue, 25 Jun 2024 9:07
Served byPost
This Charge Notice has now been passed to Newlyn and therefore payment cannot be accepted on this website. Payment must be made directly to Newlyn and you must refer to any correspondence you have received from them on how payment can be made.
This PCN is past the stage at which you can challenge it or make representations
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2024, 11:53:46 am »
Quote from: Neil B on November 26, 2024, 10:19:21 pm
Patience. You are not in immediate danger.

It is likely that we will advise you to pay the enforcement notice to prevent incurring further charges.

This will not preclude you from talking action to get the matter reset and you seem to have good reason to be hopeful of that.

Thanks. With regards to paying the enforcement notice, what happens if I pay and then the PCN is reset? Would I be able to recover any of the monies I've paid to Newlyn?
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Re: PCN Lewisham - Was not aware of penalty charge due to change of address
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2024, 03:08:01 pm »
You get everything back, but the PCN is not cancelled so you must either appeal it or pay.
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