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Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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My advice is as follows when I see what you originally wrote:


Dear Waltham Forest

Ref:  PCN.......................VRM............................

I require you to consider my original challenge as my formal representations against the Enforcement Notice.

Please cancel the PCN therefore.

Yours faithfully

Name

Address
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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Quote from: Hippocrates on December 08, 2023, 06:59:41 pm
My advice is as follows when I see what you originally wrote:


Dear Waltham Forest

Ref:  PCN.......................VRM............................

I require you to consider my original challenge as my formal representations against the Enforcement Notice.

Please cancel the PCN therefore.

Yours faithfully

Name

Address

I did just that - let`s see what they come back with. Thanks
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Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
« Reply #47 on: »
Sorry if I am blind; but, I cannot find what your original challenge stated and I am just guessing from their initial rejection letter and what had been discussed re the signage what was in your challenge.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2023, 04:44:21 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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Quote from: Hippocrates on December 14, 2023, 04:23:56 pm
Sorry if I am blind; but, I cannot find what your original challenge stated and I am just guessing from their initial rejection letter and what had been discussed re the signage what was in your challenge.

yes that was the basis of the challenge along with pictures that I sent
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Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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Just a thought on the lack of visibility of the 958B sign and ignoring the driver behaviour after parking.

Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3

Section 9.3.8 says:

'...There is no specific requirement to use the road marking in conjunction with diagram 959B
which means that they need not be placed together at particular locations. It is for the traffic
authority to determine the number of upright signs and road markings that are required and
where they are placed. However, the marking must not be used as a substitute for diagram
959B, relying only on diagram 958 to indicate the vehicles permitted to use the lane; the
Regulations prescribe the marking as being a bus lane that may be used by vehicles indicated
on the sign to diagram 959B'

If I read this correctly there MUST be a 958B and they cannot rely on 'Bus Lane' road marking to convey the restriction.
There are no repeater 958B's I can see on GSV since the start of the bus lane which is way, way back.
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Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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Good points.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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They finally rejected the appeal. I thought it would have been much earlier.

Any thoughts?

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Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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If SM agrees, I say Tribunal time.  PM sent.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
« Reply #54 on: »
Quote from: Hippocrates on January 22, 2024, 10:55:57 am
If SM agrees, I say Tribunal time.  PM sent.
yes lets go for it.
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Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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Ok,  I am up to speed.  I will email you.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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Quote from: cp8759 on November 29, 2023, 12:56:39 pm
For later:

The Waltham Forest (Bus Lanes) (No. 1) Traffic Order 2001
The Waltham Forest (Bus Lanes) (No. 1 2001) (Amendment No. 8) Traffic Order 2007
Corrigendum

I haven't checked if it's material, but I don't think the corrigendum can have any legal effect as it purports to alter the substantive effect of the order, if it does become material we have the Montague Avenue cases that dealt with that issue.

@cp8759:  please can you remind me of the Montague Avenue cases? Thanks.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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« Last Edit: February 03, 2024, 04:30:28 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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We have a few more than that, see rows 721 to 726 here.
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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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Thanks.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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