Author Topic: Waltham Forest - Whipps Cross Road - E11 Bus lane contravention  (Read 7159 times)

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Re: Waltham Forest - Whipps Cross Road - E11 Bus lane contravention
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Don't mention the camera issue. They have a new certificate, but there's more to it than that. Can't say more for now.
Please e mail me what tricks you are devising at present.
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Re: Waltham Forest - Whipps Cross Road - E11 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #16 on: »

99.999% LBWF will just reject as they always do.

If the OP is willing to take the gamble at Tribunal, or the opportunity arises in another case I would play on the break in the line getting bigger and the lack on the 'end of bus lane' sign. Although not mandatory Chapter 3 Road signs says:

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9.3.9.  The end of a with‑flow bus lane will usually be obvious through the termination of the
diagram 1049A marking. If considered necessary due to observed driver behaviour, an upright
sign to diagram 964 (S9‑4‑11, see Figure 9-5) may be sited as shown in Figure 9-1. The lane
should normally be stopped short of the Stop line at traffic signal controlled junctions

Observed driver behaviour shows people cutting across the last 10-15 metres. The gap in the line is large, getting larger and compounded by lack of sign it can be confusing for drivers.

You can see from GSV images over recent years that there is no maintenance and the gap is getting bigger - 16 months ago it was approx 1.3m.
If this one goes to tribunal I will go down there myself and get an accurate measurement.

When does a continuous thick white line become not substantially continuous?

Chapter 5 Roadmarkings - edge of carriageway (dashed white lines) Diagram 1010 - has a spacing of 1m (1000mm)

They make over £1m per year from this 183m long 'At all times' bus lane that has 6 - 10 buses per hour at peak times (06:00 - 20:00) and every 15 - 30 mins the rest of the time. The rest of Whipps cross road is single lanes. They can surely afford to fix a gap in the roadmarkings?



Re: Waltham Forest - Whipps Cross Road - E11 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #17 on: »
I would also add some context for the Adjudicator to consider about the need to get in the left hand lane at the traffic lights.



Other than southbound A12 you need to be in the left hand lane for all other exits.

Also make it clear that CCTV shows the very end of the bus lane and likely to clip the end.

Re: Waltham Forest - Whipps Cross Road - E11 Bus lane contravention
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Clearly a job for the Maestro.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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Re: Waltham Forest - Whipps Cross Road - E11 Bus lane contravention
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Hi all, I have received a response from LBWF today via post following my appeal. Please see attached. What are the chances of further going to tribunal and winning this?

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Re: Waltham Forest - Whipps Cross Road - E11 Bus lane contravention
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I am confused by the two posters?  Redbridge?  Just wait for the Enforcement Notice and simply state you are requiring them to consider your original challenge.  There is little point in pointing out their failures to consider at this stage.  Let them do that in the NOR.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Waltham Forest - Whipps Cross Road - E11 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #24 on: »
I am confused by the two posters?  Redbridge?  Just wait for the Enforcement Notice and simply state you are requiring them to consider your original challenge.  There is little point in pointing out their failures to consider at this stage.  Let them do that in the NOR.

Got me Boroughs mixed up and got ahead of myself.
Best I leave it to the experts.

Re: Waltham Forest - Whipps Cross Road - E11 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #25 on: »
I am confused by the two posters?  Redbridge?  Just wait for the Enforcement Notice and simply state you are requiring them to consider your original challenge.  There is little point in pointing out their failures to consider at this stage.  Let them do that in the NOR.

Got me Boroughs mixed up and got ahead of myself.
Best I leave it to the experts.

No worries - I often confuse my identities!  Just send in the original reps. again.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Waltham Forest - Whipps Cross Road - E11 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #26 on: »
Hi all, I have received a response from LBWF today via post following my appeal. Please see attached. What are the chances of further going to tribunal and winning this?

Hi cp8759, just checking to see if you have had a chance to look at this?

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Re: Waltham Forest - Whipps Cross Road - E11 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #27 on: »
The Bus Lane PCN process is HERE
You've had your informal appeal rejected.

You currently have a choice to pay at the discounted rate in the next couple of days, or wait for the Enforcement Notice, at which point you lose the discount.

Then you can submit your formal representation to Waltham Forest.

If Waltham Forest reject your representation then you can pay the full amount or take it to the Tribunal.

Re: Waltham Forest - Whipps Cross Road - E11 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #28 on: »
I'm not sure how strong are my chances of taking it to tribunal and winning this appeal as I'm not in a position to lose and pay full penalty. If I have chances I want to know what are the strong points to contest??

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Re: Waltham Forest - Whipps Cross Road - E11 Bus lane contravention
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As long as you challenge the Enforcement Notice within 14 days of the date of issue, they usually reoffer the discount, so there is very limited risk in carrying on.
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