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abbrde

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TFL Red route Norfolk Avenue N15
« on: September 09, 2024, 02:38:00 pm »
I received this PCN while parked in a bay with white markings. The bay had a sign that its a red route where only loading is permitted during the hours of 7am to 7pm.

The sign was turned around, therefore I did not notice this.

I have sent in a formal representation with pictures showing the sign turned away, I also stated that the picture the officer took clearly shows the building on the other side of the road in the background. This was rejected.

I now need to apply to london tribunals. Could anyone advise me if I should go myself or just do it via the post, and how exactly to put my claim so it should be accepted.

I am attaching a link with documents.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1X6ryS-Xj0PT5NVw8KnomBmtx1RQJIzG3?usp=sharing

Location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/G1Bmc2SuzhcyeAG2A

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Re: TFL Red route Norfolk Avenue N15
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2024, 03:09:25 pm »
Tell us why you parked there - how long, what for.

What did you say in your challenge and why did TFL reject it.

If you want more people to read documents and look at pictures you need to post the key ones as inline images.

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Re: TFL Red route Norfolk Avenue N15
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2024, 09:25:16 pm »
So you parked on a red route which, unless otherwise excepted, is a contravention.

You parked in a white-lined area preceded by DRL.

You were obliged to look for a sign which exempted you from whatever Red Route restriction applied. But you didn't. Had you looked then you would have seen the back of a sign and then, seconds later, read the prohibition and exemptions.

IMO, saying the sign has twisted will not avail you.

In addition, did you leave the location without establishing what's what?

Issues include:
This is a GLA side road, does the order provide the prohibition?

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Re: TFL Red route Norfolk Avenue N15
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2024, 07:34:11 pm »
Is a sign the wrong way not enough to dismiss a ticket?

I parked for some time in a side road which has a CPZ only in the morning. When I returned to my car I saw the ticket, I then looked around and noticed the twisted sign. I took some pictures to prove this.

In my challenge I wrote that the signage was improper, I sent pictures to prove my claim. All the pictures are in the google drive. I didnt manage to upload as a inline message

The reason of rejection is that the officer is a witness. I am not sure how this answers my claim that the sign was the wrong way.

I am not sure what "does the order provide the prohibition" refers to.

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Re: TFL Red route Norfolk Avenue N15
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2024, 07:53:50 pm »
I parked for some time in a side road which has a CPZ only in the morning.

So you parked on a Red Route bay without realising it, assumed it was in the CPZ(despite the gateway sign being behind and not in front of the bay) and walked away. On your return you found a PCN and onlt then did you look for a sign in the bay and discovered it was a RR bay.

Does this cover what happened?

Even if you parked in a parking bay in a CPZ you are still obliged to look for the governing traffic sign: parking bays have nothing to do with CPZ signs which regulate single yellow lines only.

If the above is correct, then at this stage IMO you'll be relying on either the RR bay not being covered by a 'side roads' order or that an adjudicator accepts that, in absolute terms, the sign did not meet the legal test and allows an appeal on this basis. 

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Re: TFL Red route Norfolk Avenue N15
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2024, 05:47:51 pm »
Your description covers perfectly what happened.

This road has white lines for the parking bay all across. The first few meters are RR. Without a clear sign, it seems the same as the rest of the road.