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Re: Waltham Forest, 21s Parked wholly or partly in a suspended bay or space, Cecil Road, Permit Holders only bay
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Councils refuse virtually all informal challenges, (>95%),  because they know most people then cough-up to get the discount option. It's called 'gaming the system'.
There seems sufficient doubt about their response to form a good appeal case, but obviously, you have to forego the discount option. If it were me, I'd be taking them all the way. Councils are notoriously bad at signing parking suspensions, but with people coughing-up so readily, they never get called out.
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Yes, this is obviously silly given they are referencing pictures taken on the day of the contravention.

As can be seen on the images provided the signage was in place on the 02/04/2025 advising motorists of the upcoming suspension.

I must say this is your word here that this sign by your car only went up a few hours later but if you are absolutely sure then see it through. It certainly isn't in the bounds of impossibility that the council missed this signpost when signing the suspension and only rectified it on the day.
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Good to know. And yup...I'm willing to go all the way. Thank you both!
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Not quite as stamfordman has suggested.

If a motorist, and then owner, asserts that a sign was not in situ then the burden shifts to the council to rebut such a claim.

They have not done so IMO.

OP, I would write back as follows:

Dear Sir,

PCN *******

I refer to your letter dated 6 May rejecting my representations against the PCN. I will be taking the matter forward, to do which I need the following which were referenced in your letter but inexplicably not included:

'Our suspension records show that an advanced warning sign was placed at the location on 2 April.'

'As can be seen on the images provided the signage was in place on 2 April..'

I require a copy of the relevant extract from these 'suspension records' including the time the sign was erected. In addition, you did not include images taken on 2 April, the 'images provided' (three) are all dated 9 April. I require the images taken on 2 April.

Thank you.



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Re: Waltham Forest, 21s Parked wholly or partly in a suspended bay or space, Cecil Road, Permit Holders only bay
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Quote from: H C Andersen on May 13, 2025, 04:27:39 pm
Not quite as stamfordman has suggested.

If a motorist, and then owner, asserts that a sign was not in situ then the burden shifts to the council to rebut such a claim.

They have not done so IMO.

OP, I would write back as follows:

Dear Sir,

PCN *******

I refer to your letter dated 6 May rejecting my representations against the PCN. I will be taking the matter forward, to do which I need the following which were referenced in your letter but inexplicably not included:

'Our suspension records show that an advanced warning sign was placed at the location on 2 April.'

'As can be seen on the images provided the signage was in place on 2 April..'

I require a copy of the relevant extract from these 'suspension records' including the time the sign was erected. In addition, you did not include images taken on 2 April, the 'images provided' (three) are all dated 9 April. I require the images taken on 2 April.

Thank you.

Thanks for this. I had to move home rather unexpectedly and still recovering from the move, so I'm just seeing this.

I was expecting that the council would have sent a notice to owner by now but I haven't received one yet. Had to inform them of my new address to change my resident's permit, so they are aware but there's been radio silence.

I was thinking to contact them, explain that I haven't received the Notice to Owner despite informing them of my new address, asking them to confirm their records for my address and the status of the parking ticket.

Do you think that's worth doing as well as sending your message above?
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Re: Waltham Forest, 21s Parked wholly or partly in a suspended bay or space, Cecil Road, Permit Holders only bay
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Have you set up mail redirection...

Have you been to old house to get mail.

They will only send the NTO to the registered keeper's address. Did you tell them about the PCN and address? Have you changed the logbook address?

I've checked and the NTO has been sent. You need to call/email them and find out its date.

But you have a way to get this re-set if it's too late to make reps.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2025, 07:51:40 pm by stamfordman »
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Re: Waltham Forest, 21s Parked wholly or partly in a suspended bay or space, Cecil Road, Permit Holders only bay
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Quote from: stamfordman on June 27, 2025, 07:34:42 pm
Have you set up mail redirection...

Have you been to old house to get mail.

They will only send the NTO to the registered keeper's address. Did you tell them about the PCN and address? Have you changed the logbook address?

I've checked and the NTO has been sent. You need to call/email them and find out its date.

But you have a way to get this re-set if it's too late to make reps.

I set up mail redirection with Royal Mail yes.

Can't go to the old house to get mail as no one's living there yet.

I only specifically spoke to them about my permit.

I've changed logbook yes.

Right I'll get on it. Thank-you!
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