Author Topic: Ealing, Code 32JD, Failing to proceed in the direction shown by the arrow, Greenford road/The broadw  (Read 186 times)

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Hello Experts.

I received this PCN for going straight on the red light while i was in the lane going to the right. I was in lane that can only be used to go right and I did not realise it and tried to safely go straight when it turned green. I did not know that i can get a PCN for doing this. Please can someone advise if I have any chances of defending it.

Please find the first page of the PCN , i am not able to find the paper copy so may not have the second page, would upload if I find it.

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What you are really trying to achieve is cancellation of the PCN so you pay nothing, because that avoids the £160 charge, the loss of the discount, and the later enforcement route if it is ignored. Ealing says you must challenge the PCN first, and if they reject it the next stage is an appeal to London Tribunals; if you go that far you are dealing with the full charge, not the discount.

On what you have shown me, this is not really a red light case. The notice says 32JD, meaning the council allege you failed to follow a blue mandatory direction sign and went the wrong way. If the CCTV shows a clear right-turn-only sign and your car going straight, the core defence is weak. "I did not realise" and "I thought going straight was safer" explain the mistake but usually do not defeat the PCN. The real issue for an adjudicator, meaning an independent tribunal judge, is whether, on the balance of probabilities, meaning what is more likely than not, the council can prove the signed direction was clear and that your vehicle did not follow it.

Your best point is evidence, not sympathy. Ask immediately for the full CCTV and check the junction yourself. Was the blue arrow plainly visible, unobscured and positioned so a driver in that lane would actually see it? Were the road markings worn, confusing or inconsistent? Does the video clearly show your vehicle disobeying the sign, or only part of the manoeuvre? I am assuming you are also the owner, meaning the person legally pursued for payment; if you were not the owner, or the vehicle was sold, hired, taken without consent or the PCN was served late, the position changes materially.

My candid view is arguable only if the signage or video is genuinely poor; otherwise prospects are weak. The council's best answer will be simple: clear sign, clear CCTV, driver error. To reduce that risk, make a representation, meaning a formal written challenge, within 28 days, focus on signage, visibility, lane markings, camera angle and any defect in the PCN, and do not waste space on not knowing a PCN could be issued. How far are you willing to push this if the discount is lost, what dated independent material do you have, and would you accept paying the discounted amount if the video is plainly against you? The next milestone is to obtain the video and page 2, then decide quickly whether there is a real evidence point or whether this is one to pay at the discount.
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Please find the first page of the PCN , i am not able to find the paper copy so may not have the second page, would upload if I find it.

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But you have posted a clear photo of the actual PCN!

Hi, yes, I had taken picture of the first page (not the second page) before I misplaced it.

We've seen this location several times - my view is that it's unreasonable to enforce a mandatory turn right unless they put in a better segregated lane with a clear advance layout as it just isn't good enough to take the right lane out of moving across as it stands.

But the tribunal will refuse an appeal on this if I recall past cases accurately - I'll have a look at latest.


This is arguable but probably not for a DIY appellant.
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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

If the signage test is 'adequacy', then IMO the OP should discover the totality of the signage. For example, in addition to regulatory light signals and traffic signs, GSV also shows a road marking in the lane as follows:

Diagram 1037.1

Vehicular traffic must turn right


Is there anything on the left-hand side(it's obscured in GSV)? 

OP, probably we've all be in your or similar predicament and had to take a turn or make a manoeuvre we didn't want. C'est la driving vie.

Hi, Thanks for all the replies so far, What do you advise to put in the representation ? i need to file one soon.

Hello Experts,

I was wondering if someone could help me draft a representation. I think it is due by tomorrow or day after.

Thanks