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I am reaching out to seek assistance regarding a parking ticket I received last Saturday at 19:21.

I am hoping that someone from the forum can provide some guidance on how to handle this situation.

The issue I encountered is with regards to the parking sign in the area where I received the ticket. The sign displays two separate and conflicting times. At the top, it indicates that parking restrictions were from 6:30 - 10pm, while the sign at the bottom states that restrictions apply from 8:00 - 6:30pm.


Additionally, when I attempted to pay for parking using the designated Parking app because of the ambiguity, I received a message saying that the parking session cannot be started at that time or something similar to that effect.

Any good chance of appealing this?



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Quote from: gbawekanu on July 20, 2023, 10:59:16 am
At the top, it indicates that parking restrictions were from 6:30 - 10pm, while the sign at the bottom states that restrictions apply from 8:00 - 6:30pm.
No, the signs are not contradictory at all. There's one sign that applies from 8 am to 6:30 pm, and another one that applies from 6:30 pm to 10 pm. As you were parked after 6:30 pm, it's the second sign that applied.

Quote from: gbawekanu on July 20, 2023, 10:59:16 am
Additionally, when I attempted to pay for parking using the designated Parking app because of the ambiguity, I received a message saying that the parking session cannot be started at that time or something similar to that effect.
That's because after 6:30 pm, only resident permit holders can park, so you can't buy a parking session.

Quote from: gbawekanu on July 20, 2023, 10:59:16 am
Any good chance of appealing this?
Not based on what you've said so far, but give us the PCN number and the number plate and we'll see if there's something more viable.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Thank you for your analysis.

This is my first time of seeing this type of confusing sign in over 10 years of driving.

The PCN number is ZN08415143

The car registration is OV66VSF.

The top sign says 6 - 10:30pm. Do you think that is clear enough that it means "6pm' or could I argue someone can assume it means 6am?
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The expression of time 6 - 10:30 pm is permitted, see paragraph 1(1) of Schedule 18 to the Traffic Signs Regulations 2016.

The traffic order is The Haringey (Charged-For Parking Places) Order 2021 as amended by The Haringey (Charged-For Parking Places) (Amendment No.57) Order 2022 and the map tiles for this particular bay are here (see page 12).

You might as well make a plea for discretion but I can't see much else to go on here. Give others a chance to comment first though.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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The sign seems clear enough to me.
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Quote from: gbawekanu on July 20, 2023, 10:26:40 pm
The top sign says 6 - 10:30pm. Do you think that is clear enough that it means "6pm' or could I argue someone can assume it means 6am?

It's fairly common to only use am/pm on the start time when it differs from the end time.

But, so what if it was interpreted as AM ?

That wouldn't have made any difference.
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PCN has been cancelled by Haringey Council. ;D  ;D  ;D
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Quote from: gbawekanu on October 20, 2023, 03:28:08 pm
PCN has been cancelled by Haringey Council. ;D  ;D  ;D
Please post up exactly what you sent, and the council's reply, as this could be helpful to others in the future.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Quote from: gbawekanu on October 20, 2023, 03:28:08 pm
PCN has been cancelled by Haringey Council. ;D  ;D  ;D

Colour me confused.
Happy for you and congrats but this is almost unheard of.

As CP asks, copy of your reps and their letter please, just so we know for others in the future.
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