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Hi everyone,

I received a notice of enforcement from JACOBS today (issued on 02/03/2026) for a PCN from Trafford Council dated from 22/09/2025.

I never before received any mail / email notification regarding this (around that time I was moving from Liverpool to Manchester but I changed the registered address of the car quite promptly upon moving).

Can view evidence here : https://pcnportal.trafford.gov.uk/VEH/Live/3sc/3sc-us/
Reg no: DK62KWO
PCN: TR80413065

To be fair, I come from Greece where there are no YBJ and up until today I was not familiar with the relevant traffic rules regarding them.

I would like to ask the following two questions please:

1. Are there reasonable grounds to appeal the whole penalty itself?
2. Can I appeal the extra cost of JACOBS involvement (debt 115gbp + compliance stage fee 75gbp) as it is the very first time I receive any notification of this penalty?

Thank you very much for any support.

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You don't necessarily have the right to appeal as that is time limited. However if you did update your vehicle's registered keeper address promptly and this was just unfortunate timing you have a reasonable chance of getting the PCN reset and the bailiff fees refunded.

Others know more about the process than me so see what they say.

OK, so the PCN date is 22nd Sept 2025. The last V5C update is 8th October 2025. Can you remember how you reported the V5C update; was it online or did you send off the relevant V5C section by post ?

I think the two dates are sufficiently close together to support an Out-of-Time Witness Statement that you updated your V5C promptly on moving house. It is a postal PCN so the PCN date will be some days after the contravention date.

Advice is to pay the bailiff, because you are only at the compliance fee stage, (£75). If they visit your address they will add on £235. Both these amounts are statutory, so you cannot object to them. Paying the bailiff has no effect on whether your OOT WS will be accepted at TEC.

The £115 is the council debt, made up of: -
- the original PCN amount, (£70)
- then 50% added for a Charge Certificate, (£35)
- then £10 for registration of the debt at the TEC.

You need two forms, (1) Form TE7 to request your WS be accepted OOT, and (2) Form TE9 which is the Witness Statement in which you say why you are submitting it. Both of these can be downloaded from the TEC website. Ignore their incorrect text that says these are just for DART Charge etc. They are for use with all contraventions under the Traffic Management Act 2004 as well

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/traffic-enforcement-centre-forms

As you are very new to UK motoring and bailiff law, I suggest you contact: -
www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk
to make sure you fill the forms in correctly. If you don't, the Traffic Enforcement Centre will just reject them.
Even if they are accepted, this does not get the original PCN cancelled. ALl your declaration gets you to is the original PCN stage, and you can then appeal it or pay it.

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Thank you for your helpful replies.

If I remember correctly I reported the V5C update online. I even remember calling the police to ask about any penalties the day I reported it but unfortunately they did not know anything.

I just find it so dishonest that they never sent a reminder or something only for me to find out 6 months later that in 5 days I will have someone visiting my house!

So do you suggest I pay the whole amount (£115 + £75) and also apply with Out-of-Time Witness Statement that I updated my V5C promptly on moving house ?

If the declaration gets accepted and get me to the original PCN stage, do I then get a refund for the extra charges?

Thanks a lot in advance for the support
Mike
« Last Edit: Today at 01:10:35 am by mewmew »

22 September is actually the date of the offence rather than the PCN so likely the PCN was issued a week or two later which reduces the gap still further.

If your application is accepted, you will get all the money back. But you may still have to pay the PCN at the original rate if you don't successfully appeal it.

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I just find it so dishonest that they never sent a reminder or something only for me to find out 6 months later that in 5 days I will have someone visiting my house!

Well, not really. When they obtained the name and address registered to your car, you had not yet updated it, so all enforcement documents were sent to your old address. It seems you did not set-up mail redirection. They are obliged to use the name and address supplied by DVLA for all documents.  However, bailiffs livelihodd depends on finding debtors, so they are very proactive in doing so.

Anyway, find out the date of the PCN, so you can quote its likely delivery date on your OOT Witness Statement, plus the date you changed the address. I don't think you'll have too much trouble getting the matter reverted to the PCN, but come back here if you're having a problem. The enforcing council can object to an OOT submission, so maybe phone them to say what happened and ask that they do not object to your OOT.

Thank you very much both, I really appreciate the time and the support.


What is the date the PCN was issued pl? This should be on Jacobs' notice of enforcement.

Trafford's website says it's 22 Sept, but this is improbable because the date of contravention(shown in their evidence photos) is also 22 Sept!

The website has a 'virtual assistant' so I suggest you ask it for the date of issue of PCN TR80413065

It is not written on the Jacobs enforcement notice - I have asked the Trafford Council team about the date.


Thanks