Author Topic: TFL ULEZ PE2/PE3 - Traffic Enforcement Centre not processing my forms x 6 County Court Proceedings  (Read 1230 times)

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Council name or other authority: Northampton Business County Court
The alleged contravention: Unpaid ULEZ Charges
Location: London Various

PCNs: XJ07992747, XJ07686966, XJ07792533, XJ0791780A, XJ08261372, XJ08348914


Please see attached images for context and evidence submitted for each challenge.


I sold my 2002 non ULEZ compliant L322 range rover in October to a third party (buyer). This third party proceeded to get around 6 ULEZ PCN's which were addressed to my companies name, later in October

PCN's, NTO's and all the rest of the issued charges were not received to our letter box. These were not delivered to my company address which is known to have issues receiving mail (not known to royal mail) but none to us that sometimes they can't find out shutter mail box. I only first took notice of these at the county court stage in April when I returned from Holiday.

I proceeded to fill in the PE3 form which I thought was correct, but didn't know I needed the PE2 forms. They resent the PE3 witnessed forms with my evidence, which consisted of over 15 pages of documents from DVLA, invoices, TFL correspondence, Proof of Sale, ect One key evidence being a DVLA letter stating that the vehicle had been sold back in October 14th and I was no longer the owner, preceeding the dates of the ULEZ infractions

TFL also cancelled 6 of these PCN's initially and then reassigned them back to me at some point according to the PCN number history on their website. I have this letter as proof, which is TFL's acceptance of my appeal.

Furthermore, I then filled in the PE2 forms with the PE3 forms previously completed. This process has lasted from February to Now.

TEC has just resent the forms back entirely with another excuse.First return to sender

Reason 1: That my name didn't match the name on the PCN (which is untrue)
Reason 2: That I didn't name a responsible director (It was literally in the form)
Reason 3: No PE2 formsI then printed all of the PE2/PE3 forms and filled via adobe so it was printed in electronic text.

Second return to sender

Reason 1: These forms must be completed and signed by the respondent named.
The forms can only be completed and signed by (Buyer name)

So am I to assume this is a complete mess up by the TEC? The respondant name is in my company name who these filings are against, now they are saying this individual who bought a vehicle over 6 months ago from me an only sign the PE2/PE3 form which is taking my company to court for thousands?

I am sending so much time filling in forms and making evidence bundles for 6 ULEZ fines which have gone to Northampton County Court. I am extremely stressed and experiencing head aches and migranes every day for the past two to three months because of the potential huge fines and the fact that I am simply getting no where in this process. It feels like such a huge injustice where the small guy just gets put into a machine and spat out with the government and these bodies making profit left, right and center and trying to pull out procedural excuses on innocent people. In any case I did not make any mistakes on the forms themselves when they were filled in, but I do not understand how on earth can a Northampton county court claim can be addressed to me an they're asking for the PE2/PE3 form to be filled in by the buyer who I don't know and can't find.

Even if I did get in contact with them, do they expect them to take ownership of thousands in potential fines for a car worth 1000 quid?












« Last Edit: June 20, 2024, 12:00:30 am by JunotheCorso »

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What makes you believe that TFL are still enforcing the six ULEZ PCNs against your company?

Unless I've missed something, tt seems that the letter from TFL is telling you that they have accepted that you're not liable and have re-issued the PCNs to the other party, presumably the person who bought the car. The PCNs wouldn't have been cancelled, just reissued and re-served.

The case progression histories suggest that the PCNs were reissued, I grant it doesn't tell us to whom.

That would explain why the TEC are bouncing your PE2 & PE3 forms. Your company is no longer the entity (Respondent) against whom the charges have been registered.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2024, 09:23:41 am by Enceladus »

What makes you believe that TFL are still enforcing the six ULEZ PCNs against your company?

Unless I've missed something, tt seems that the letter from TFL is telling you that they have accepted that you're not liable and have re-issued the PCNs to the other party, presumably the person who bought the car. The PCNs wouldn't have been cancelled, just reissued and re-served.

The case progression histories suggest that the PCNs were reissued, I grant it doesn't tell us to whom.

That would explain why the TEC are bouncing your PE2 & PE3 forms. Your company is no longer the entity (Respondent) against whom the charges have been registered.

So, the notice of acceptance when appealing was in February. We then receive claim forms from county court, suggesting they had been re-issued back to us again. That's where we are at. I will call the TEC and see if they will give any information on who the respondent now is and ask for confirmation that it's no longer on our name.

I can confirm that TFL have changed the respondent name and thanksfully we are no longer liable.

Well, for once, that was easy!

Well, for once, that was easy!

Don't worry i'm about to post up 4 warrants active against my person name from 2023, all paperwork sent to previous address and DVLA are responsible as they didn't process my change of address on licence (can be proven with royal mail tracking)


Don't worry i'm about to post up 4 warrants active against my person name from 2023, all paperwork sent to previous address and DVLA are responsible as they didn't process my change of address on licence (can be proven with royal mail tracking)

If all you've done is to notify a change of address on your licence then you have a shock coming: changing V5C details is totally separate.

You might want to start your own thread.

@JunotheCorso please start a seperate thread for anything that is addressed to you personally rather than the company.
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