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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2025, 03:57:31 pm »
I'm inclined to agree.
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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2025, 04:06:55 pm »
Quote from: H C Andersen on January 28, 2025, 03:46:56 pm
Sorry, but these are scuffs and scrapes. There's no distortion of the fundamental shapes of these parts. I'm 99.9999% certain that an adjudicator is not going to be convinced that this was the damage made in a collision with another car sufficient to displace a BB.

But it's your choice.
Well, do remember that these plastic bumper covers can take quite a knock and then spring back just leaving paint damage.
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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2025, 05:02:24 pm »
How is that scuff? The bottom part of the bumper has come off partially. I pushed it back in but even then you can see it’s open.

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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2025, 05:04:32 pm »
I don’t know if you have been hit while sat stationary in a car. The jolt is enough to move a human. So to say it’s not enough to take a piece of plastic off the dash is naive. I don’t know what you were expecting? The whole bumper coming off? Lol

Additionally, the point is how TH responded. Providing no explanation why they cannot apply discretion or what their cancellation policy states.

Maybe someone can explain further if that has any merit.

Thanks
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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2025, 05:17:25 pm »
If you want to argue this point then I suggest you dig out any contemporaneous evidence as to the car's condition before the PCN was issued.

As regards their consideration of your reps and their policies, these are different matters.
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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2025, 05:06:45 pm »
Quote from: H C Andersen on January 28, 2025, 05:17:25 pm
If you want to argue this point then I suggest you dig out any contemporaneous evidence as to the car's condition before the PCN was issued.

As regards their consideration of your reps and their policies, these are different matters.

I think their response, or lack of it, should be the focus of the reps rather than proving without doubt that the car being hit causes the badge to fall. Or am I mistaken?
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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2025, 06:52:00 pm »
Perceived shortcomings in a response to informal reps carry relative little weight in this procedure (in fact the regs don't even require a written response), it's the response to formal reps which is mandated.

So, if you highlight their response in formal reps then IMO you invite them to cover their tracks and their backs in their response. And if you don't and the same shortcomings are not apparent in any NOR then an adjudicator won't attach much weight to an argument you advance in an appeal which wasn't advanced in formal reps.

So you'd have to include in formal reps and hope they just dismiss/pooh-pooh.
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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2025, 02:50:03 am »
Any other advice from someone please?
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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2025, 06:53:52 am »
Agreed. I am not taking up fighting this pcn
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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2025, 03:03:36 am »
I’m asking for advice whether I have a chance or not. Not if you’re willing to fight the case for me. If anyone could provide some advice I’d appreciate it
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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2025, 04:10:15 pm »
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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2025, 05:37:12 pm »
Quote from: Jamran on February 04, 2025, 03:03:36 am
I’m asking for advice whether I have a chance or not. Not if you’re willing to fight the case for me. If anyone could provide some advice I’d appreciate it
You have a chance, as I said before, but it is not a slam-dunk win, so really it is up to you whether you take them all the way or not. First you have to wait for the Notice to Owner, submit reps against that, then, when rejected, register an appeal at London Tribunals.  Of course they may accept your reps at the NtO stage. Informal challenges are almost all rejected by councils because they know that most people then just cough-up. So they keep the cash coming in.
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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2025, 05:42:09 pm »
Thank you for your response. Much appreciated
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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2025, 07:31:51 pm »
I see the NtO has been sent and they want the full amount now and later. There's an issue with their website as no grounds are available. We have won cases on this.
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Re: Tower Hamlets PCN appeal rejected
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2025, 04:32:53 pm »
Here’s the NtO attached

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