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Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue PCN 33E
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I had already filed the appeal on their website before seeing your reply, and so just selected I’m not the owner and gave my details which it accepted without asking further details. Incase they do ask, I have power of attorney for my dad.

Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue PCN 33E
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Hi. Hope you’re well!

They rejected the appeal saying the signs were lit up and there are no legal obligations to have advanced warnings. See link below for letter sent:
https://1drv.ms/f/s!Agp91Qu4dZz6keUYorjMzYFMIpuiOw

Firstly, the signs aren’t clear, as so many people obviously get caught out. Secondly, how do they expect you to reverse with following traffic without advance warning. Finally, it’s completely unreasonable to have to pay the higher amount if you appeal again and it is still rejected.

Please can you advise on this, and if I appeal, how best to complete the form re grounds of appeal - and what the chances of success are. Surely, if others have won appeals on this ground it sets legal precedent and they can’t simply uphold some appeals and reject others?

Many thanks in advance!

Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue PCN 33E
« Reply #17 on: »
Hi @Hippocrates and @Incandescent. Hope you’re well. In case you hadn’t had a chance to see my update re my appeal rejection, I wondered if you could please give me your quick thoughts on this today, as I have until today to decide to pay the lesser amount or appeal further to take this to a hearing. Thank you in advance!!

Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue PCN 33E
« Reply #18 on: »
I'll PM you j
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue PCN 33E
« Reply #19 on: »
Not many contributors on here are so heroic as Mr Hippocrates, but two others need mentioning that do offer to act as representatives, Mr Mustard, and, of course, our esteemed administrator, CP8759. All of these charge no fees, so act as the lawyers say, pro bono, but may well ask for a charitable contribution after a win, or some travel expenses. However, you'd have to ask them.  As most adjudications nowadays are phone or (at the TPT) videos as well, there is no travel.

Basically, like me, they are all completely fed up with the venality and rapacity of councils and Transport for London who are ruthlessly enforcing things that really have no traffic management benefit whatsoever, but they get the money rolling in. No doubt the heads of departments involved get substantial bonuses every year too. It's been like this since 1991, so I doubt it's going to be reformed any time soon.
The video hearings cost me a fortune in Nivea.  :D
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue PCN 33E
« Reply #20 on: »
Appeal filed.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue PCN 33E
« Reply #21 on: »
Case won.  ;D  2250187549  @Nik Well done for staying the course.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2025, 11:43:00 am by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue PCN 33E
« Reply #22 on: »
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue PCN 33E
« Reply #23 on: »
Skeleton argument re 2250187549: basic nitty-gritty stuff.

1. In Evidence B the council states: The Council is satisfied that we have followed procedures for dealing with appeasl as set down in Schedule I of the London Local Authorities Act 1996 (as amended)…..
2. The NOR states: The signage is lit from dusk till dawn and vehicle headlights further illuminate the signs and road markings. This statement is not corroborated by the video. Further, I put the council to strict proof that the sign to diagram 953 was illuminated on the day in question.
3. The photographs provided at Evidence H are of little evidential value.
4. I make this collateral challenge against the validity of the PCN as it is missing mandatory information as provided at Para. 4 (8 ) (v) of https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

              (v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased
                  charge may be payable.
 
                                   
                Clearly, this refers to Para. 4 (8 ) (iii):

              (iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning
                    with the date of the notice;


Therefore, it follows that the statement: If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make  representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £195 may be payable. adds to the lack of clarity by its omission. Even on its own, whether the required information was included or not, it is also arguable that it conflates the two periods using the word "or" which many would view as being conjunctive. Furthermore, even if the statement were to be interpreted disjunctively, there is still no clarity due to the missing information.
In light of the above, I ask that the appeal be allowed.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2025, 09:07:42 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r