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Hello All,

Looks like I have shot myself in the foot as I've already sent a appeal letter However I have received a Bus Lane fine for being in a Bus Lane on Tooting High Street.

For context, there were ongoing roadworks and there was a sign to "Use bus lane" - I saw the sign up ahead and moved over to the bus lane however was landed with a nice and hefty fine.

See video for context:

Original Letter:
https://imgur.com/a/xWUwNkD

My Defence:
https://imgur.com/a/ffNnjQc


TFL's appeal reply letter: https://imgur.com/a/HLa6LlK

Street View Link: https://maps.app.goo.gl/bAHUT18tseQ8VWnbA

Do I have any chance of appeal or should I just pay the reduced fine in the window I have?
« Last Edit: July 25, 2025, 11:51:29 pm by cru1928 »
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Re: Tooting High St Bus Lane TFL
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OK, your video shows the roadworks, but you would seem not to have captured the "Use Bus Lane" sign.

Their letter is the usual Fob-Off letter that totally fails to consider your representations. TfL have, like all authorities serving PCNs a duty to consider representations but here, although repeating most of yours, then totally fails to respons to them.

If it were me, I'd take them all the way to London Tribunals as your evidence seems very strong, but sight of the sign would make a slam-dunk win, I think.

So over to you
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Quote from: Incandescent on July 26, 2025, 01:18:44 am
OK, your video shows the roadworks, but you would seem not to have captured the "Use Bus Lane" sign.

Their letter is the usual Fob-Off letter that totally fails to consider your representations. TfL have, like all authorities serving PCNs a duty to consider representations but here, although repeating most of yours, then totally fails to respons to them.

If it were me, I'd take them all the way to London Tribunals as your evidence seems very strong, but sight of the sign would make a slam-dunk win, I think.

So over to you

The "Use Bus Lane" sign is at 00:20 of the vimeo link  :)
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This is extrapolation of the urine. Wait for the Enforcement Notice and I am happy to take care of this one. The most recent last two they did not contest. If they push you all the way, we may be looking at costs too - whether they DNC or not.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2025, 09:48:43 am by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Tooting High St Bus Lane TFL
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Quote from: cru1928 on July 26, 2025, 08:45:03 am
Quote from: Incandescent on July 26, 2025, 01:18:44 am
OK, your video shows the roadworks, but you would seem not to have captured the "Use Bus Lane" sign.

Their letter is the usual Fob-Off letter that totally fails to consider your representations. TfL have, like all authorities serving PCNs a duty to consider representations but here, although repeating most of yours, then totally fails to respons to them.

If it were me, I'd take them all the way to London Tribunals as your evidence seems very strong, but sight of the sign would make a slam-dunk win, I think.

So over to you

The "Use Bus Lane" sign is at 00:20 of the vimeo link  :)
Indeed yes, but this comes after you have driven in the bus lane for some distance. Wasn't there a sign before you entered the bus lane ? We have to cover all aspects here, although I think Hippocrates has his foot on their neck as well. It's quite clear, (even absolutely obvious),  from your video that one had to use the bus lane to proceed.
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To be honest - I moved into the bus lane as soon as I saw that sign, perhaps a bit earlier than I should have
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Quote from: Incandescent on July 26, 2025, 12:33:07 pm
Quote from: cru1928 on July 26, 2025, 08:45:03 am
Quote from: Incandescent on July 26, 2025, 01:18:44 am
OK, your video shows the roadworks, but you would seem not to have captured the "Use Bus Lane" sign.

Their letter is the usual Fob-Off letter that totally fails to consider your representations. TfL have, like all authorities serving PCNs a duty to consider representations but here, although repeating most of yours, then totally fails to respons to them.

If it were me, I'd take them all the way to London Tribunals as your evidence seems very strong, but sight of the sign would make a slam-dunk win, I think.

So over to you

The "Use Bus Lane" sign is at 00:20 of the vimeo link  :)
Indeed yes, but this comes after you have driven in the bus lane for some distance. Wasn't there a sign before you entered the bus lane ? We have to cover all aspects here, although I think Hippocrates has his foot on their neck as well. It's quite clear, (even absolutely obvious),  from your video that one had to use the bus lane to proceed.

To be honest - I moved into the bus lane as soon as I saw that sign, perhaps a bit earlier than I should have
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Wait for the Enforcement Notice and I will draft a more technical appeal against the PCN.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: Tooting High St Bus Lane TFL
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Hope you are doing well - I’ve had the second notice served. May I please request you to write up the second appeal notice?

Many thanks
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Which notice? PCN or EN?
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Quote from: Hippocrates on August 16, 2025, 09:44:15 pm
Which notice? PCN or EN?

I believe it's the PCN... as it lets me appeal again through the TFL PCN details section
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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OP, for the avoidance of doubt, can you please post up this "second notice". The first notice would have been the PCN.
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Quote from: Incandescent on August 17, 2025, 10:07:24 am
OP, for the avoidance of doubt, can you please post up this "second notice". The first notice would have been the PCN.

https://imgur.com/a/3tXpDm5
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Quote from: cru1928 on August 17, 2025, 01:48:06 pm
Quote from: Incandescent on August 17, 2025, 10:07:24 am
OP, for the avoidance of doubt, can you please post up this "second notice". The first notice would have been the PCN.

https://imgur.com/a/3tXpDm5
As a PCN is always the first statutory document, and this one seems identical to the first, I am puzzled, so as I'm not completely up-to-speed with the interstices of London bus lane legislation I shall stand aside for others to take over.
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