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Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
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The footage has confirmed that the GSV link I initially posted, is correct.

Now I have a few queries:

Is it correct that because the driver entered while their exit wasn't clear, it makes anything after that harder to challenge? i.e a very small part of the rear of the vehicle was in the junction box

Secondly, what purpose is this box actually serving? Even if the box is kept clear, it doesn't make it any easier for buses exiting the bus station because their exit wouldn't be clear anyway.

Thirdly, the parameters of the box seem a bit excessive, continuing further than is actually necessary.
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You cannot query the purpose of the box, only the actual implementation of the box, like is it excessively large or long, (beyond the actual road junction).
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The purpose of a YBJ is to aid traffic flow, correct? So what I'm trying to say is, that this box doesn't actually do that in any meaningful way, so it shouldn't matter if a vehicle is stationary in it.

Surely not being able to raise the point about the purpose of a YBJ doesn't mean that a YBJ can be placed in any random place and motorists be subject to enforcement.
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That's quite a harsh PCN. You were less than half in the box and the bit you stopped in is beyond the junction with the side road.

The location stated on the PCN doesn't seem right to me.  There is no box junction situated at the junction of Kennington Lane and Albert Embankment.  Your box junction is at the junction of Kennington Lane and South Lambeth Place.
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Yeah that was my initial thought when I saw the picture, can definitely be used as part of the appeal?

wrt to the location, I was going beserk trying to find the junction based off the location TfL provided. I only realised which junction it was because of the road markings that can vaguely be seen in the pictures provided, and now obviously, the video has confirmed that.

Can the fact that the location is incorrect be used in the appeal at all?
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Quote from: ILoveCats123 on Today at 12:49:16 am
The purpose of a YBJ is to aid traffic flow, correct? So what I'm trying to say is, that this box doesn't actually do that in any meaningful way, so it shouldn't matter if a vehicle is stationary in it.

Surely not being able to raise the point about the purpose of a YBJ doesn't mean that a YBJ can be placed in any random place and motorists be subject to enforcement.
Councils have the right to install these traffic devices, and the legal assumption is that all the legal duties they are mandated to follow have been followed. What can be queried is the actual installation itself; does it follow the requirements defined in The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 ? Appeals have been won on this aspect, but the councils just carry on enforcing because there is no overseeing body checking on them.  This is the dark heart of the whole setup.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/9/made

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Wrong Location.
Yes, if location on the PCN is incorrect, this can be used as an appeal argument. But again, TfL will just refuse the reps, and you'd have to take them to London Tribunals, and forego the discount option.
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I see. Thank you for explaining.

This reminds me of the video I saw from the Yellow Box Guru about the YBJ situated right outside a Nottingham Council Office, (iirc) which has been placed illegally because it's on a gyratory that's not controlled by traffic lights, which the TSRGD says it must be a traffic light controlled gyratory for a YBJ to be placed
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Yes, if location on the PCN is incorrect, this can be used as an appeal argument. But again, TfL will just refuse the reps, and you'd have to take them to London Tribunals, and forego the discount option.
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Okay then, let's see what we can put together
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