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 I have received a PCN from TFL in Talgarth Rd (A4)/Gliddon Road which occurred on 28/10/2023 at 1040 hours

I am aware that you can enter a yellow box junction to turn right but was unaware the same does not apply turning left. I’d be grateful for any thoughts on how to submit an appeal on this PCN around the following points:

1. Whilst the still images do appear that I entered the YBJ I don’t believe that I was obstructing any traffic. As I was on the far left lane traffic could still pass behind me. Similarly I don’t believe I was a risk to pedestrians or any other road users

2. Is it legitimate grounds to state that I was turning left and that the only reason that I appear to enter the YBJ is that there is a pedestrian crossing on the A4 which hold traffic up for a short period of time, I am aware that this is a weak argument.

3. Are there any other arguments worth making?

The video link is here:

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The clip is quite long (5 minutes) but you can see the alleged contravention around the 2mins 34s mark.

Thanks in advance for all your help. Very happy to answer questions or queries and appreciate everyone’s help.

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Draft reps:

I'll add that if TFL rejects, I'm happy to represent you at the tribunal.

Hi

I understand that my representation may have been rejected. But I have not had an official communication about this (email, letter, etc). Am I meant to get a formal notification? I happened to have a look at the TFL PCN site and it looks as though the representation has been rejected.

13 December I believe…

Like I said, I had a look at TFL PCN site using PCN ref and car registration details and it says 13 December representation rejected…you can look too

Therefore NoR deemed served 15th and would have given you 28 days to pay or appeal to LT.

As I see it (the experts here will correct me if I'm wrong) you have a choice

1) stick to the process - if it never arrives, wait for the Charge Certificate, then the Order for Recovery, then get it set aside on grounds of made representation but no response received.

Or

2) step outside process and ask TfL to e-mail or re-send a copy of the NoR.

I can see nothing is lost by asking when they re-open.

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Sadly there are 3 options, not 2.

1. It never arrives.
2. It does arrive.
3. Contact TfL now.

IMO, 2 and 3 are linked.

Can't recommend 1 because it's speculative and high risk.

If it arrives late, you won't be able to prove as such and as the 14-day extended discount would probably have expired (arrives later than 27th because TfL's website says your reps rejected on 13th) then you'd have no choice but to appeal with the full penalty in play.
I don't understand waiting(hoping?)it won't arrive because all this would do would be to cause you to engage with the OfR process which at best would lead to TfL sending you a copy of the NOR and probably extending the discount whereas if you engage with TfL now and explain then if they sent a copy today you'd at least have 4 days to review their NOR. (https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/penalty-charge-notices/enforcement-process)
NB. if you phone them and receive any verbal commitments then you MUST confirm in writing by email. Never take verbal assurances.

If you can't contact them today then the decision to wait is made for you until next week at least.