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Hi,

I received this attached PCN, I replied that the sign was turned away and I also attached some pictures.

They put the case on hold and I never heard back from them. Now escalated to £240.

See status history
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/pay-pcn-details?pcnId=GF83117833&vrm=AM51EOM&journey=Pay&skippedIssuedPage=true


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The link to the status history doesn't work. You have received a Notice to Owner, so how did you respond to the original PCN ?

Anyway, the main point to make is to not ignore this Notice to Owner, because if you do, you'll lose all your rights to appeal to the adjudicators if this becomes necessary. You need to submit your representations again.  This situation is commonplace, and should have a warning about it on the original PCN.
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@ Incandescent
If you scroll down the pdf, you'll see he's got the Charge Certificate

@ samfish

Your PDF contains the NtO and the Charge Certificate. It's not clear wheteher you replied to the NtO or the original PCN?
If you have the PCN please post it here and a screenshot of the status page.

Assuming you made a response to the PCN or the NtO and received no rejection, then
Do NOT pay the Charge Certificate, but wait for the Order for Recovery, and then either use the usually enclosed form TE9 for a Witness Statement, or download your own from the TEC website. Tick the box for "I submitted reps but did not receive a rejection of those reps".
When filling out the form, the "applicant" is Transport for London, not you.
You can check every 7-10 days by phoning TEC* (not Council) to see if debt has been registered. Once registered, you can submit downloaded form without waiting for Order for Recovery to be delivered.
(*Telephone number here
Traffic Enforcement Centre (TEC) - Find a Court or Tribunal - GOV.UK
Traffic Enforcement Centre (TEC) - Find contact details, opening times, how to get to here, types of cases managed, disabled access to the building
find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk
)

See here for more info
https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/index-pag...tness-statement
and here
Read this page
Moving traffic PCN enforcement process
Where a Enforcement Authority believes that a moving traffic contravention has occurred, it may serve a Penalty Charge Notice on the person appearing to them to be the owner of the vehicle. This is...
London Tribunals · londontribunals.gov.uk
from the "Charge certificate" paragraph to the end of the page.


@all - I'd like someone to confirm OP needs TE9 and that it's a tick-box exercise - I'm never too sure with the TEC forms  :-\
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Thank you.

I do not have the PCN but I had replied to the actual PCN.

See screenshot attached


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So you made an informal representation on 18 April and never heard back.

On 30 June TFL issued a Notice to Owner, which you were required to either pay or challenge. Did you do either or did you just sit back and assume you could wait for a response to your original challenge?
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@John U.K.

I received the court letter attached.

1) why did it only go down to £160 and not to the original amount of £60.
2) I did reply at the time (within 14 days) that the ticket was not valid coz the sign was turned away. is there still any point to argue about this now or should I just pay and cut my losses?


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After you received the notice to owner, what did you do?

What you should do next depends entirely on your answer to this question.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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