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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2023, 07:44:43 pm »
Never, ever, go for a postal decision. As a minimum you should register for a telephone hearing. Most people going for postal decisions lose.
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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2023, 07:51:47 pm »
oh, ive never had to do this before. really?
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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2023, 08:11:31 pm »
Quote from: Mylifestory on September 30, 2023, 07:51:47 pm
oh, ive never had to do this before. really?
In theory it should make no difference, but on this forum we deal in reality !
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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2023, 01:33:22 am »
Quote from: Mylifestory on September 30, 2023, 07:51:47 pm
oh, ive never had to do this before. really?
Have a look at these unfortunate cases:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/warwickshire-cc-pcn-code-24-not-within-markings-of-bay-lakin-road-warwick/
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=149680

If the adjudicator for some reason looks at the wrong papers and says you were stopped on double red lines so the penalty is upheld, you could ask for a review but that's a lot of extra work and hassle. Better to have a hearing that isn't really needed, than not have a hearing and find out after the event that the adjudicator made a mistake.
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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2023, 04:33:00 pm »
I was going to come on here and say thank you all for all the help bt the plot thickens .....

Just got a letter with increased charge saying theyve not heard from me but i did send it a few days ahead of the deadline.  I cant seem to find where you email them or call now, they only want you to pay!

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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2023, 05:39:00 pm »
You need to redact your name and address - leave the rest.
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Just got a letter with increased charge saying theyve not heard from me but i did send it a few days ahead of the deadline.

What did you send? To whom did you send it and by what means?
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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2023, 06:01:35 pm »

I sent exactly as advised in this thread by email and received a receipt.

Cant see where you can reply to this letter ... ?
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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2023, 06:26:06 pm »
I'll try again.
What, exactly, did you send? (Earlier posts talk about registering an appeal with LT.)
To whom did you send it (as in to whom was it addressed?


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OK, I've re-read the thread. I assume you sent it to LT as per CP's post reply#13.

Please post up the acknowledgement e-mail from LT.

Then, first thing in the morning, ring LT and ask what's happened to your registration.

The letter is a Charge Certificate (too small to read - what is the date on it?) to which you cannot reply.

As soon as we know what's happening with the Tribunal, you can be advised on next steps.
HHave you checked your junk folder for a possible e-mail? Have you had any problems with the post?
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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2023, 07:33:59 pm »
Quote from: Mylifestory on October 22, 2023, 06:01:35 pm

I sent exactly as advised in this thread by email and received a receipt.

Cant see where you can reply to this letter ... ?
You don't need to reply, you need to call London Tribunals on 020 7520 7200 and ask if your appeal has been registered yet. If they confirm that it has been, you can simply ignore the charge certificate.

I do know London Tribunals have had a bit of a backlog lately registering appeals, so it might be that if it's still in the queue to be processed, TFL have not been notified yet (hence the charge certificate).

The important thing is that as long as you emailed the form to the tribunal within the 28 day period, it doesn't matter how long the tribunal back office staff take to process it, the appeal was in-time and that's the end of that.

Indeed at least having emailed it you know they've received it, if you'd sent it in the post we'd have no idea if it was simply lost in the post.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2023, 01:28:34 pm »

Update.

Tribunal info received with date as attached.

Any tips /advice?  I've never had to do this before!

Thank you all.

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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2023, 01:39:01 pm »
Ask cp to represent you.
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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2023, 08:07:39 pm »
administrator? Really??

I know the red route camera case has been heard bt no decision has been made ....
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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2023, 02:10:23 pm »

Ive just received this, does it mean its cancelled?  ;)



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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2023, 03:52:39 pm »
Yes
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Re: TFL Red Route rejected
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2023, 05:54:27 pm »
Just so you know, you didn't redact your name.
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