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TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
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Hello,

I received a PCN for being in a bus lane. The bus lane is in operation 24/7 and I briefly entered it to avoid stopping for a car turning right. Not an excuse but then the bus lanes on this road are 95% of the time empty... The camera is fairly recent as well, was installed in the past few weeks / months.

Are there any ways to get this ticket challenged ? I am happy to try as long as there are some chances of success.
I don't know if it's relevant but I am no longer the registered keeper of the car, although I was on the day of the contravention. 

This is the spot on google maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/51%C2%B025'45.7%22N+0%C2%B000'51.0%22W/@51.4293618,-0.0148127,247

And here is the PCN:



Is there any technical argument that can be used against TFL ? I remember that I while ago bus cameras weren't legally approved to be used for enforcement.

Thanks.
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Re: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
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There are at least these 'Bromley Roads' in the TfL area
Bromley Road (E17)
Bromley Road (N17)
Bromley Road (SE6)
Bromley Road Chislehurst
Bromley Road Beckenham

Does Bromley Road SE BND mean SE as in postal district or South-East Bound as in direction of travel?

It may be clutching at straws, but the location is meant to readily identify the location to the registered keeper, who may well not have been the driver on the day in question.

You need to telephone TfL and ask for them to send you the video (the evidence) and place the PCN on hold whilst they do so, and do watch deadlines.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2025, 04:40:47 pm by John U.K. »
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I have a technical appeal re the PCN and will dig it out later. I have won 4 out of 4 recently.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Re: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
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Quote from: John U.K. on March 03, 2025, 04:38:24 pm
There are at least these 'Bromley Roads' in the TfL area
Bromley Road (E17)
Bromley Road (N17)
Bromley Road (SE6)
Bromley Road Chislehurst
Bromley Road Beckenham

Does Bromley Road SE BND mean SE as in postal district or South-East Bound as in direction of travel?

It may be clutching at straws, but the location is meant to readily identify the location to the registered keeper, who may well not have been the driver on the day in question.

You need to telephone TfL and ask for them to send you the video (the evidence) and place the PCN on hold whilst they do so, and do watch deadlines.

If we decode the location as "Bromley Road South-East Bound Opposite Watermead Road" then that is accurate. It looks like there is only one "Watermead Road" in the whole of London ...

Called TfL and asked for the video as well.
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Quote from: Hippocrates on March 03, 2025, 07:17:37 pm
I have a technical appeal re the PCN and will dig it out later. I have won 4 out of 4 recently.

I would be happy to give it a go, thanks!
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Re: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
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1. Ask for the video.

2. My draft is here which may need to be tweaked:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/bus-lane-pcn-tfl-a406-n-circular-w-bnd-chequers-way-green-lanes/msg39529/#msg39529

3. No evidence of upright warning signs 958 or Bus lane sign 959B passed.

4.  Inexact locus.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2025, 02:55:19 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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