Author Topic: TFL(Dagenham), Driving in a bus lane, Alfreds way/Ripple Road A13 North side entry slip  (Read 180 times)

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Hi,

Ive received a PCN from TFL for driving in a bus lane that is on a slip road on to the A13 after leaving the roundabout.

I just wanted some advice to see whether I have any grounds to appeal? I cannot see any signs in the pictures that shows the bus lane sign indicating any operating hours?

Google map location - https://maps.app.goo.gl/PDFbGoagByvSyhRv5








Thanks in advance! any help would be much appreciated!

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There is an advance warning sign as you leave the roundabout:-
https://maps.app.goo.gl/h7wg9AE4cbXmkNtt5

The bus lane is 24x7 as the signs state "At any time".

Any particular reason for entering the bus lane, as the signs seem clear enough ?

Hi,

yeah I honestly didn’t see the sign as the roundabout was super busy and was already in the bus lane when I realised.

I know I made a mistake but was hoping I could appeal to see if I had a chance of getting it cancelled.

I understand the signs are there but in any of the photographic evidence there is no bus lane signage seen.

Sorry to have to say it, but I can't see any robust appeal based on what you've said so far.

The London Local Authorities Act 2003, under which your PCN was served has a quirk related to attendance of the enforcing authority when requested by the appellant. If they don't turn up , you win as the video evidence is then void. But of course you have to risk the full PCN penalty to find out.

I suggest you submit reps on the basis that the photos on the PCN show no bus lane signs passed by your vehicle. Best to at least submit something, rather than coughing-up straight away and joining the Mugged Club

You can request their video of the alleged contravention. This is sent as a DVD and they stop the enforcement clock for about 14 days whilst they produce and send it to you.

Hi,

Yes, there is a sign as you leave the roundabout but this is faced towards the roundabout and if you are coming from Lodge Avenue there is no signage visible and the roundabout sign isn't angled towards that area.

I have also been back to the roundabout today and taken some photos from my dash cam and the sign at the roundabout is there but the one on Google Maps immediately at the bus lane has been removed this backs up the case that if you are coming from Lodge avenue there is no signage visible and no floor signs.




Yea, fine, but the bus lane commences 52 metres past the roundabout and has its own signs. You could say this is too little notice,  hence they have put a warning on the roundabout. Were you approaching from Lodge Avenue ? If so, you'd likely miss the advance sign.
Bottom line is - are you prepared to forego the discount and take them to London Tribunals ? If not then it's basically game over, because >95% of representations are rejected.

Yes on the day I was approaching from Lodge avenue and took the exit - there is no sign at the bus lane apart from the white dashed line and the bus lane lettering after the Bus stop lettering.

I’m willing to forego the discount if I feel like I have a chance at winning.

Yes on the day I was approaching from Lodge avenue and took the exit - there is no sign at the bus lane apart from the white dashed line and the bus lane lettering after the Bus stop lettering.

I’m willing to forego the discount if I feel like I have a chance at winning.
Nothing is ever certain at London Tribunals, but the fact that TfL saw fit to put up and advance sign on the roundabout tells you that they recognises the very short time to react to the bus lane after one leaves the roundabout. So whilst it's not a dead cert, there is certainly a chance, plus you can request TfL attendance at the adjudication. If they don't turn up their CCTV evidence is void.